Thanks for that, I just tried hypercanvas and also the SGM-180 soundfont. Not bad for messing around with, but I still find these things a bit gimmicky - it still doesn't sound like real quality to me, how about you? Am I basically pushing it to get any more quality sounds from the setup I have? Would a more professional soundcard make a big difference? I assume if I got a better soundcard I'd still need to hunt down the actual sounds because as you say they don't contain them themselves. So just wondering if it's worth getting a better soundcard if it's only going to make the likes of the SGM-180 sound a bit better. What I'm after is real quality, is it possible to get this at all through a computer - ie very realistic strings, piano etc.