Ok well I downloaded BIAB and Fruity loops Demo Versions. And I hate to admit it but I prefer Fruity loops over BIAB. Actually after playing BIAB and hearing how awful it sounds, ranks up there with elevator music yuck!, I deleted it. So you were right Ooldschool Fruity loops is what I am looking for, even though it is a litle more pro oriented. It has the typs of grooves I am looking for. By the way do you know where I could download demo copies of software synthesizers?