Since I'm one of the "old men who hang out here", I get to express an opinion about them. Poll after poll, taken during the presidential election, showed 'old men' (well, specifically, White males between the ages of 50 and 75) to be the most bigoted segment of the population. Is there anyone, anywhere (who's not in total denial) who would dispute that? As for 1941, yeah, wasn't that about the time we were rounding up 2nd, 3rd, even 4th generation Japanese-Americans and shuttling them off to internment camps while simultaneously confiscating their hard-earned (as in 'worked hard and paid for it) property. As I recall, that was also about the time that a tenth of the population couldn't sit at a soda fountain anywhere below the Mason-dixon line, or vote without fear of death threats, or die in the same foxhole with his White counterpart. Yeah, I remember 1941, I just don't "thank God" for it.

The point is, you missed the whole point of my post (rather deliberately, I suspect). You made it about 'good old fashioned values' like working for what you get. Who's going to be against that, except that that wasn't what I was talking about; a great tried-and-proven Limbaugh/Conservative Republican technique. No doubt, many here will swallow it lock, stock, and barrel, mainly because they want to.

"Astonished by my remarks"? Maybe if you'd lived your life in my skin, you wouldn't be. Guess we'll never know. For what it's worth, I believe you're a decent guy, just a product of this society that we all grew up in, just from different sides of the tracks.

chas