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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Diki,

It's a pity Roland was unable to make the G70 around the same weight as the 29 lb E-60, especially since the former doesn't have speakers, and, being the more "pro" of the two, would more likely need to be transported...of course, the G70 was made before the E-60, wasn't it?

The new 44 lb Yamaha S70X weighs less than the G70, yet the former has the same number of keys, and sports a weighted, balanced hammer action keybed.

Now, if they put the 25 lb P-85's action in the next Tyros, and reduced it to 76 keys, we could have a 76 note, graded and weighted hammer action Tyros Pro that, quite likely, could easily be around 30-35 lbs.

That would be manageable.



Firstly, only a one pound difference. What type of case you put it in will make more difference than that. Secondly, if Roland DID put out a G70 at the same weight as the E60, there would be a riot from all the G-series users about what a cheap and shoddy instrument it was. We LIKE it the way it is... And, I repeat, VERY few dropped the G70 JUST because of the weight. I've already pointed out that JUST adding the G70's action probably ups the weight six or seven pounds over a PSR action (only 61 notes) and increases the case size and need for stiffness (weight needs support). Plus, essentially, the E60 WAS an under 30 lbs. G70! Much of what was good about the G70 was rolled into the E60. And even THAT didn't sell well (more due to Roland's inept marketing than anything else, mind you... no-one could even FIND them). If the E60 wasn't a hit, a 30 lbs. G70 won't be either! 40 lbs. is about as low as this is ever likely to get. The G1000 was stripped down, smaller case, plastic, same action as G70, elegant and as small as it could be made. And IT came in at 40 lbs.

I'm sorry, but a 35 lbs. 76 T3 is only two pounds heavier than it's actual weight at a plastic 61 Unless Yamaha have helium filled, carbon fiber molded cases in the wings, let's get REAL... Put the 25 lbs. P85 action in a T3, it will add probably close to 15 lbs. to the current weight. Remember, it's not JUST the action you are adding. It is the increase in case size to accommodate it (a VERY deep case unlike the slimline P85).

You know, being a Yamaha salesman, and all that, I bet you could look up the shipping weight of replacement actions for the T3 and P85...

But it appears that even 35 lbs. is NOT considered 'manageable' by many here... let alone the 40-45 lbs. it is more likely to come in at!

Personally, I think Roland are no more likely to alienate their existing customer base (that LOVE the G70 enough to forgive it's weight) by bringing out a flyweight 76 TOTL arranger than Yamaha are by bringing out a portly 76.

They already tried it in the E60 and it was found wanting. Yamaha tried the 76 in the 9000pro and it was found wanting. Maybe both these Japanese companies need a little Western 'stick-to-it-ness'

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