Posting twice is an example if lack of patience (the page doesn't come up immediately, so you hit 'Submit Reply' AGAIN, just out of frustration!)...

But, come to think of it, this entire thread (and the other Tony led epic odysseys ) probably fits the above description!

Tony thinks he'll be glad once it is all over. He's not the ONLY one, I guarantee!

It's a shame the old G70 Users Forum is not still up (it morphed into the Roland-Arranger.com site, but much of the original two or three year's worth of posts got left behind). To be honest, the bug forum was an exercise in how to communicate effectively about problems with the OS or operational aspects. We tracked down the issues for ourselves. We made SURE that we didn't call anything a 'bug' until it could be reliably repeated. We were (relatively!) patient, we were methodical, and the end result was, most bugs got fixed. Most 'wishlist' operational changes got made (or many of them, anyway!). Nobody had a heart attack And, at the end of the day, despite Roland NEVER contacting us directly (our Forum Admin had some 'back channel' direct communication he never made specific) we felt like we WERE getting stuff done.

Were I a Ketron user, were I Ketron, I would try to set up something like this. Nothing beats the feeling that, despite it being slower than you would LIKE, getting something done involves you and the R&D guys working together...

I believe I said from the start that the Audya was trying to bite off something a bit bigger than they could chew, but kudos to them for being crazy enough to go ahead and do it anyway! At least they made sure that the CONTENT of this semi-open arranger was the PRIMARY task for them. For all its' faults, at least THEY understood the arranger market, and provided knock your socks off CONTENT, without which it would have probably suffered the same fate as the MS.

It's obvious (from Don's posts) that there IS a workflow that doesn't crash the Audya, and he is ecstatic with his (to the point where he is selling his E80!). So, at this point, it's up to EVERYBODY with an Audya to try and sort this out, not just the beta team (who seem a little TOO enthusiastic - beta testers need to be steely eyed skeptics to be effective!) and Ketron. Venting don't get the job done. Cooperation, collectivism and some organization gets the job done! How much faster do you think these issues would get fixed if ALL Audya users were on it, rather than just a handful?

But Roland didn't organize the G70 Users Club. WE did it... (with their tacit cooperation). Your call, Ketron users, but if you want this thing FIXED, I'd think carefully about it...