BTW, I think the MS/Groove could/will have some success, maybe a lot of success, but not as an arranger. Why? Because with an arranger, IT'S THE CONTENT, STUPID. A gifted entrepreneur with the help of his geek buddy can whip up a pretty snazzy machine in his basement in a few weekends (anyone see the Brit with the $100 camera, helium balloon, and the resultant NASA-quality pics of Earth from outer space) . CONTENT, on the other hand, requires the kind of talented resources and DEEP pockets that are unavailable to such entrepreneurs unless his geek buddy happens to be Bill Gates . Diki and others have been saying this all along and it remains true AS APPLIES TO THE ARRANGER MARKET. Dom has already recognized this, so it is only those people that keep insisting on it being the ultimate ARRANGER that will continue to find it wanting. If you're only interested in the MS as an arranger, move on. Others fill that role much better (and cheaper). Those who continue to want to bring a tank to a fistfight will continue to be frustrated and disappointed. JMO.

chas