donnie, just wondering how you are going with the op sys for your sd1+? im finding it a bit of a struggle at the moment as it is so different....what do you think of the midi side of it?
cheers
dennis

Denis....I just needed to get reacquainted with the Ketron OS again as I have owned and X1/XD9/MidJay & now the SD1+.....once you get the idea of how the hard drive is utilized you'll be fine its not like other KB's & can do so many things.....you can get alot of help here on the Yahoo Ketron Group also.....
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/solton/messages?o=1


as far as the SMF playback I think its one of the best out there right next to Roland...the Juke Box feature makes it real easy to play SMF's & get the next song ready also ....I love the editing also.....easy to edit, change sounds, efx, vol, etc and re-save with the push of a button....the SD1+ is a super feature packed KB....its alot to take in in one shot....I would suggest taking time with each area, reading the manual, asking lots aof questions, & experiencing by playing & playing more.....

Is there something specific you need to learn?

Does the Jukebox feature change registrations, too, or just SMFs?

This is a limitation on Roland's I've been requesting them to change... They've got a great jukebox feature too (called the Set List) but it only loads and plays SMFs, whereas it would be MUCH more useful if it loaded and played UPGs (registrations) with Linked SMFs, as the UPG nowadays tends to take care of the keyboard Tones and splits, etc.. Just changing the SMF doesn't do this (although, with a workaround, you CAN get it to call up the Tones, but other things like split points, key touch etc. require a UPG change)....

thanks donnie,
i am trying to get my head around the easiet way to re-program the midis i use (btw the arranger parts sound so good, i might even discard some of the midis and do the songs live)...i have them set up for yamaha ES at the moment, and i dont know whether to do it all on the PC (sonar) or on the keyboard itself?? one thing i have not found is an easy way to load a midi file!!! i am working on getting the PC cable which i think will make life a lot easier...i must put a suggestion in to ketron for them to look at going away from the 8.3 format for file names (korg did it with the latest OS, and it makes it soooo much easier to see files) ....also do you know if there is a way to access user created sounds?? i have the tables manual and it makes no mention of user banks?? or are these only for use by the, umm, ill use the korg term, upper 1+2 sections?? oh so many questions, i just want to see if i can work it out for myself first, but if i get REALLY stuck i will put my hand up for sure!@!@
i will check out that link too, so thanks a lot for providing it
cheers
dennis
PS diki, i think it does,if im reading the manual correctly that is...registrations they are called ...but donnie is far better equipped to answer that one!!!

Diki....Good question....I'll check my sources and get back with an answer asap....

Diki, why be concerned about a playlist that would bring up a user program , when selecting a SMF..I think it is far better the other way as Roland does it..

We have a list of our user programs[performances]..name the user program , generic or song specific,..and link the SmF to it..

Now we have the option of playing arranger mode similar to the SMF we have available...or play the SMF and have all our settings[real time play] ready to play with the SMF..

Also , all the One Touch Settings can also be written, in this manner for each user program..

I much prefer this way[as I used the G1000 the same way] of use..

fran, after having read the manual a little further last night, i think thats what the SD does as well, just uses different terminology and different method...one thing i have noticed is the amount of instant one touch settings (80!!) you can have that are available all the time, in song or arranger mode...you can link them or just select them yourself....its still a very "awkward" menu and op system though, and certainly takes some getting used to
dennis

Dennis, I believe the SD1 one touch is actually a favorite sound group..To select your right hand sounds..

The G70's OTS is like 4 individual user groups within the style..It will save all panel settings for immediate changes..that is 4 completely individual OTS...This will allow any or all of the 6 layers[tones]..splits, effects, and controls for each One touch setting..

It can be very elite....

Let me recap how the G70[and E80] work..
You can select a saved User program that has all the panel settings and Style selection, also how the style will start and what intro, etc..This is the starting point..There within, are the 4 OTS, with addition settings, allowing for live changes, during performances..

oh! yep i understand what you mean now fran, sorry my bad!
cheers
dennis

My bad! The G70 feature is called the Play List, NOT the Set List (which you are thinking is the User Program Set)

Now, I know I am getting confused between the UPS (user program set) which is a list of 144 UPGs, in the order that you chose, that you select manually or with an FC-7 (up/down), and the PLAY LIST, which is just a way to automatically cue up SMFs, with a pre-definable pause time, or a 'wait for go'.

Fran, unless you are letting the G70 play MIDIs unattended, you are going to want to have the Keyboard Parts, Splits, MFXs, effects, footswitch assignment, Assign Switches and MANY other things correct for that particular SMF.

Now, the Play List feature will automatically cue up the next SMF, but that is all. You will then manually have to call up the UPG that sets these. And if you have to do that, when the SMF is already Linked to that UPG, you pretty much made the Set List useless! So that is why I want Roland to change the Play List from SMFs to UPGs...

Sorry, I think I have confused things a bit here....

Diki I prefer to use the User program with a SMF linked..rather than a play list..I never lock myself into a playlists..Never can tell what direction I want to go..during a performance..The crowds dictate where I am going..Set lists were for bands that needed to be ready for the next tune..Today we are ready at any single moment..

Diki heres a few answers....:


"In theory it could do this, but it would mean entering some SysEx into the SMF, then use that in the juke box as a regular SMF.

To do it you would need to enter the code to change the GM input to "Keyboard", enter the SysEx to change the regis number, then SysEx to change the input back from "Keyboard" to GM. These are all listed in the technical tables. Probably need to enter these before the GM reset message.

I haven't tried this and don't have the technical tables to hand and so can't offer a "blow by blow" method. The Roland should be able to do this too.

Good luck

Barry Crane"

posted on the Yahooo Ketron group forum....

AFAIK (Please prove me wrong!), but there are NO sys-ex codes that I can find that call up a UPG.....

(I WANT to be wrong, here, but I can't find anything in the manual!)


[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 06-15-2007).]

Hi Dennis,
I don't really use midifiles to any extent, but for the odd one that I have modified, I've used a pc sequencer.

I have my sd midied to my laptop using an edirol usb/midi adapter, so that I can hear any changes I make as I go. Then I just save midifile to floppy disk & use "copy" to transfer the file into the sd1.

The only time I used the Ketron serial cable file transfer system , was to do a complete backupup of all the sd files to my pc. Then I'll just redo again if I make any majar changes to my files. I don't use it as a midi interface between laptop & sd.

I also had to buy a usb to serial adapter as neither of my pc's have a serial port.
As far as I'm aware the required Ketron cable is only available in serial to pc?? unless they've brought out a new one.

I'm a bit rusty on some of the sd functions as I've been concentrating on my psr recently.
I'd been having some issues with EMC ( with Plus Package) software & using it for event list editing of styles. Finally got some of the issues sorted out, so will go back to spending a bit more time on the sd again.

It is a very different type of operating to what I'd been used to also ( having been used to technics, yamaha & the earlier korg & roland systems) but once you work your way thru it, it has some great functions.

If I can be of any help ( could be pretty limited though , haahaa) , let me know. I'm going to have to brush up on the manual again also as I've forgotten so much of what I'd learnt how to do, way back.
best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by miden:
[B]

hi rikki,
thanks for comments...i have actually stumbled across a program i had forgotten about, when i tried it unsuccessfully with the midjay i owned (only had it for about 2 weeks!!) the prgram is called SD1 Mastering studio, and i downloaded the demo and i have got to say it is a great program...(provided you use midi files, its not good for anything else)...it edits everything you need to tweak midis and saves it all in the track header as ketron sysex data...brilliant, and all run from a gui that makes an a doddle to use...dont know if you would be interested but here is the link http://www.soundcompany.net/sd1/mastering_studio/
cheers
dennis
PS thanks for offering to help out with the SD im sure i will have some questions..it is SO different to anything else,but im getting the hang of it, slowly...just got to realise its not yamaha/roland op systems which are quite simple....cya

Hi Dennis,
i did download the demo quite a while back.
Do you know if you can still actually buy the program though?
I can't remember why I didn't go ahead with it at the time, either because I couldn't get onto the supplier, or maybe I just decided I'd be doubling up with the sequencers I already owned.

If you do get it, luv to know what you think of it.

best wishes
Rikki

p. what operating system does your sd have 4b or 4c??
Haven't gotten round to upgrading mine from 4b to 4c as yet.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by miden:
[B]hi rikki,