Gentlemen , i´m from Germany following all discussions in here with great interest. I would like to buy a new keyboard, but i´m not shure which one. My candidates are PSR 2000 and the PA 80. But there are a few questions where i cannot find the answers in the net. Maybe one of you can help. Concerning the PSR 2000 : Is there also the Cool Organ and Cool Jazz Organ included, from the PSR 9000 ? I own the PSR 9000 for a few months, and also a Karma. I´d like both very much, had to sold them, but now i want a new one. Also, how much can i compare the sounds of the PA 80 to the Karma ? As it is the Triton/Karma engine, does it sound like them ? Who knows about the Drawbars, are they brave or more B-3 like ? Does it work with Repetition ? And finally, i heard all demos i could find from the PA 80, are they programmed, or does they use original Rhyhtms of the PA 80 ???? PSR 2000, how much can i compare this one to the PSR 9000, is it true the PSR 2000 has 16 MB ROM ?

cheers from Germany !

Hello Mambomatze,

I too would like to know if the PA80 shares the Triton Sounds (in FULL that is), and whether the Karma/Triton are the same as well (minus the sampler that is) I've heard good reports about the Korg Karma on Harmony Central, with users giving it 10 out of 10 for everything (great sounds easy to use etc), and not too far below, you hear someone else talk about it like it is a load of rubbish (1/10 they give). Black & White...very contrasting. Makes you wonder who is right! (Your own "ears" could be the answer here I think).

Mambomatize, it is true that the PSR has Just 16 MB of Wave Rom, as opposed to KORG’s 32 MB ROM, and It seems to show as well when listening to the demo's (very thick paddy sounds etc on the PA80). Other "ROM" Stats are: Roland VA7 48 MB, PSR 9000 32, Pro 9000 48, KN6500 (my keyboard 48 (now upgraded to 64), KN5000 16 MB, , Triton/Karma 32 MB

On Sounds, I wouldn't hesitate to elect for the PA80 over the Yamaha PSR 2000. And with operation 3.0 out soon (as I posted a while back HERE , it has a great future I believe. The Organs sound very good on the PA80 (I have a Korg CD at home from a MAG, and it demonstrates sounds you probably haven't heard, and very good they are too!). The "Dance" sound on the PA80 is really so professional, you would expect to only hear it from a Triton itself...but they all seem to there in the PA80.

I am all for getting a keyboard with great sounds, and THEN sorting out the styles (if you don't REALLY like the onboard ones too much), because you can always download styles. Rhythms etc from the Internet, and Create your own. However, with the sounds, your are stuck with the samples you have, even if you can edit them a little (and the PA80 is going to have a sampler included in Operation version 3.0 I believe)

The Organ sounds on the PSR 2000 may be there from the 9000 (not sure), but with 16 MB of ROM, corners will have been cut, and my guess is: you won't know till you've had it a while! ...And then you will find Discrepancies - at over £1000 less, you will.

With My KN6500, I don't need to worry about either of these (fortunately), and the sounds compliment the Rhythms very well indeed (especially the new KN6500 Rhythms).

Mambomatze, While your around, can you give me a rundown of the Karma? Was it very good? - and how did it blend into the Arranger keyboards?

Thanks

J5



[This message has been edited by Jupiter5 (edited 11-06-2001).]

Hey Jupiter....well the Karma was great, these Algorithmic Stuff in combination with the Triton Sounds, wow....think this is the best "addon" for a arranger keyboard if u are looking for this...great Organs, amazing living pads, strumming guitars and the best Overdrived E-Guitar i ever played and heard ! btw, these demos from the CD,any chance to send me a few of these ? if yes let me know, then i give u my eMail at work, there i can download them faster....cheers

Mambomatze,

The CD was on the Cover of a Magazine (This One) and its only available in UK/Ireland I think. What I can say is this: the Organs are Superb, and certainly won't disappoint I wouldn't think! .

Some of the sounds are the same as those you download from the Pa80 website, but a few are different. With Operation 3.0 out soon, It looks like a wise choice!. With more ROM on the PA80, you have things like after Touch (something people say they don't mind missing, but I bet they do - I wouldn't like a keyboard that doesn't support after touch...not one bit). Other things you get with more WAVE ROM, are the ability to change the sound with the amount of pressure you apply to the keys, and since more memory is available for these extra sounds, they will give you more control, like four different sounds on one note (or 8 in the case of the Yamaha 9000).

J5



[This message has been edited by Jupiter5 (edited 11-06-2001).]

I've heard a few people on the web complain about the PA80's fill ins. Only two fill ins, and I heard that they don't blend well with the rest of the mix. Is this true that the fill ins don't blend well?

Larry

Larry,

At least one complaint about the fill-ins was from me; so this message would not count again.

In my ear I find some of them do not blend well. There are 4 variations and 2 fill-ins. This happens when the variations are significantly different. But somebody wrote that there's going to be four fill-ins in the new os.. I don't know for sure. Maybe it'll get better.

Another big problem I see with PA80 is the abrupt truncation of the voice when you change the patch. It should keep ringing until you release the note, but PA80 -for most of the voice changes- truncates the previous voice.

Nevertheless, PA80 sounds great, if your prime concern is sound over features/OS.

Shiral


[This message has been edited by shiral (edited 11-06-2001).]

Ok, Korg has 32 Mb and PSR has 16 Mb. But, how many voices they have?

Because if Korg has a lot more voices than PSR, perhaps PSR 16 Mb will be similar to Korg 32 Mb respect to the question "how many Mb for each voice?"

It is the case with VA-3: a lot of voices (3.000) but only 8 Mb. Or also VA-5: it has a lot of Mb (48), but it has a lot of voices too (3000).

So, how many Mb is not the only question... It is necessary to know "for how many voices these Mb's are".

In this sense, which will be the best kb respect to relation between number of Mb and number of voices?

Hello everybody...

as a owner of a PSR2000 (since yesterday :-)) !!), I have to say...absolute fantastic keyboard. The sounds compared to PSR740 and other boards (like PA80, I tested it for hours!) are brilliant. I think it's a little bit boaring to claim/compare the amount of storage MB for sounds. Nobody knows exactly the compression rate they are using (please see MP3!!) Maybe a 16MB ROM in the PSR2000 is equivalent or even better as one in the PA80 with 32 MB. It depends strongly on the algorithm used for sound generation (for FM-Synthesis you need only a few parameter bytes to generate great and thick sounds), but also on the algorithm of compression (PCM, DPCM, ADPCM, MP3...). Therefore the best way to decide is to hear. By the way the pad sounds on the PSR2000 like the strings are really big...for my ears!!!

Greetings from Germany

Datablues

Hi all....about the discussion MB/Sounds...what about the PSR2000 having 16MB and about 220 Panel Voices and 480 XG Sounds....the PA 80 hast 660 Sounds i guess with 32 MB....is this not an argument. Btw, i didnt understand how many variations/fills the PA 80 no has. 4 Variations and 2 Fills, is this correct ?!?

cheers from Germany

PSR2000 is a great keybaord with very nice features. But it's noway comparable to PA80 in sounds. The PA80 is a complete synthesizer, rich sounds.. same as TRITON.

PSR2000 sounds are fine though. The only sounds I can't stand in PSR2000 is the analog kit, which is the same as it was in my old PSR510.

By the way, I will be using PSR2000 with my TRITON. PSR2000 is the keyboard I had been waiting for. Infinite storage of styles....

Also, the sounds on PSR2000 are not the same as in PSR9000 and 9000Pro. They sound similar, but it's different. Especially you can hear the difference among stereo piano and dynamic drum kits in PSR9000 and 2000.


[This message has been edited by Shakil (edited 11-07-2001).]

Who wants to be referee in this struggle?
Not me! I have no keyboard yet.

Krix, still a Swede

Mambomatze, Yes, It's correct. But somebody said the number of fill-ins going to be 4 in OS 3.0, but I don't know it for sure. I tried to check that with Korg, but they did not reply. (Of course, I am very unhappy to be ignored even after paying $2000 for this keyboard :-( )

Shiral

I remember when I purchased a Korg synth module about four years ago. I looked at the manual and couldn't understand it (The English was obviously translated). I looked for a phone number for technical support and the area code of the nearest listing hadn't been used in that city for at least eight years. I thought, wow they haven't updated this information in at least eight years. Of course, the place didn't even exist anymore even calling the right area code. That definitely didn't impress me.

I would be interested in the PA 80 if the new OS allows four fill-ins. I'm still concerned about two bad things I heard about the PA80. For one, the fill-ins don't come in fluidly. This is not good if it's true. The Yamaha fill-ins come in flawlessly. Second, the vocal harmonizer isn't good. If this is true, I would hesitate before I bought one. The vocal harmonizer on the PSR-2000 is supposed to be very high quality.

Larry