Hi to all.I have been reading up on the new Behringer Eurolive b212 speakers and I wondered if anybody has had a chance to hear them.They are inexpensive and only weigh 22 lbs.They are soon to have a powered version.Thanks

I sell both the B212 and B215 models. They both look like the Mackie speakers and are very good and both handle a rated 800 watts of power. At the price point between $150 to $199 they are a great value. The powered versions should be out by the end of the year, but don't hold your breath.....they told me that last year as well!


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Thanks George.How do they rate sound wise with Mackie 450's

dont be fooled they dont even come close to the Mackie 450's

Have you heard them?

DonM

Thats right Don who am I to give an opinion or try to help someone not waste their money?

I respect your opinions as always. I just asked if you had heard them. I haven't, and the powered version isn't available yet.
Don

Behringer products in general if I'm being honest is shall we say, not my cup of tea when I'm shopping for gear judging by what I've heard, listened to by other acts on stage & A/B'd in stores... I personally wouldn't buy anything they make....sorry.

I have two Behringer mixers that I have been exceptionally pleased with. And they were about half the price of the comparable Mackie or Yamaha. I suppose if they break, I'll throw them away and buy another!
I can't comment about the speakers because I haven't heard them. That's why I was curious.
Just curious, though, because I don't see anything replacing the Bose.
DonM

To Whom it may concern, I personally have a lot of Behringer gear, and find everything I have to be super and I have heard the speakers and think they are also super for the bucks, I wanted to get 4 of them 3 months back that I could have gotten at a great price but turned them down because of getting them down here from TX. shipping would have been almost double the price of the speakers....I too own a Behringer power mixer, the Euro 2000 and it's great. Just
MOPO on Behringer...
TR

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Looks like Donny is trying to livin up the place

Donny is passionate about his life work, which is music. He's my bud and can't p*** me off even if he tried.
On the other hand, I can easily get under his skin.
Seriously, I just talked to DNJ on the phone and he is on the way to the store to purchase a set of Behringer speakers.
DonM

DonM....good show...sometimes DNJ needs some help direction wise that is...hehehe
TR

www.mackie.com

Thanks for the imput guys.I would not purchase anything without hearing it first.I have a small Behringer mixer which is not bad for the price.I also own the Bose pas but I need a second rig.The prospect of half decent speakers at Behringers prices certainly seems worth looking into.

I wonder if anyone has compared them to the Peavey PR series? About the same kind of price and weight. I'd like to test them both out sometime using the Behringer PMH880S head.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR12PN
http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR12N
http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR15PN
http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR15N
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHPMX880S
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHB212
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHB215
http://www.behringer.com/B215/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Main thing is to be able to try the stuff out and know first hand what you're getting into, and that it fit's your personal criteria for weight, size, money, sound, etc.

This is very important because not mentioning any brands or models, I'm not going to get into that one, haha, I have tried many of the one's recommended by others and didn't like the sound first and foremost. The ones I'm referring to are top name brand. Test 'em out!

Best
Scott
http://ScottLMusic.com

These look like the active ones
http://www.worldmusicsupply.com/pro-audio/speakers/Behringer/B212A.asp http://www.worldmusicsupply.com/pro-audio/speakers/Behringer/B215A.asp

Shiral

Behringer bridges Home and Pro musicians gap really fast interm of using acceptable pro/semi pro gear.10 yrs ago Sprit folio small mixer will cost $300,now B is making it $49 with more features.

Behringer copies (both in and out ;meaning the look)from other companies so they
can sell it really cheap.Their R & D dept doesn't do much work.They had lawsuits from Makie,Boss etc.It's not very ethical if you'd ask me.It makes other companies like a fool and stop investing on R & D which is bad for all musicians in long term.

Durability is an issue(use of low priced components)(but in recent years it's getting better),But quality/price ratio there is no other choice.Their quality is OK to good(They tend to have around 80% sound quality of the ones that they copy, but sells 60% cheaper)but not durability in most cases.

Their aim is to get home and semi pro market (which is bigger than pro).They do not have plans (at least for now)to do SSL or Midas quality mixers but they do plan to beat MI great players like Makie,Peavy,Carvin and mid level Yamahas,Roland,etc and they are doing extremely well(their $ 99 near field monitors are copies of $150-200 rolands or even M audios).

They are relatively new in the industry.Since their prices are extremely great ,the company has grown really fast & they are now a major player in the field(making audio interfaces,KBs,FX pedals to full proaudio line).Remember GC and Samash refused to carry B mixers(due to pressure from the biggies)(only MF and other online companies were selling),but now they can't ignore B if they want to make money,so you now see more of them.

Will I use Behringer stuff in my home studio/occational live gigs - Sure I will.(selling $699 EON 15 G2 copies for $249? hell yeah!).

*Even Carvin PM15A(another G2 copy) will cost you more,but since Carvin is in US ,better customer service,so you gotta think twice.

Will I use them(Behringer) if I do a pro audio rentals ,Everyday gigs that need to run for several hours (nonstop power on)- Ummm, no!(not for now).

In US their Customer service is really poor.
So ,finally you get what you pay for and can't really complain.So if you plan to spend under $500 ,B is OK,but if you want to go above,you should think twice.


Peace.



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It's been my experience as a dealer of Behringer products to have excellent customer service from Behringer. If I have a product in stock or owned by a customer and call Behringer on the phone, a replacement is sent out even before they receive back the defective one. Their policy during the first year is to replace, not repair if something breaks down.
I would also be able to give my opinion on comparing the B212 passive speakers to the Peavey PR12. The Behringer handles a lot more power and seems to be made with stronger componants. I've had a few customers actually break the speaker jack right out of the back of the Peavey because the plastic used for the jack and the area around it seems to be a weak spot. My customers have been really impressed with both the B212 and the B215 model and I've not had a single problem.
I would also like to mention that with the amount of Behringer I sell, primarily because of it's lower price points and features, I've had fewer repairs than with any other manufacturer's products. I would also like to remind everyone that the Mackie products of the past, which were all made here in the USA are all now made overseas, either in China or a few products in England. Things have really changed. I remember when Behringer came out here in the USA with their rendition of the Mackie 1604 mixer. I refused to sell it because it was made in China and the Mackie was made in the USA. Many of my customers bought the Behringer model for 1/2 what the Mackie was selling for and thought they made the Mackie in Germany because all their products say designed in Germany. It's amazing today that most of the products I sold 10 years ago made in USA or Japan are now all made in China. It's why I say it's getting more difficult to stay in business anymore with the price points of everything dropping. I just don't get to put enough dollars in the cash register when everything keeps getting lower and lower but the rent, the insurance, etc. keep going up!
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566 www.kayesmusicscene.com

The last two Mackies I had gave me a lot of trouble which seemed like dirty pots. Their big thing was that the pots were supposed to be sealed, but for whatever reason they became crackly and unresponsive and then various channels stopped working.
I have used Behringer 1202FX every day, first as a live mixer and now as the mixer hooked to my computer at home. I use Behringer 1222FX 3-6 nights a week on the job. No hint of problems with either.
DonM

getting a new one is good. (100,000 mile 10 yr wrnty on KIA -like)will beat the competition out of the water.And as I said their quality standards are better since they now are a major player.Nice to know that their cutomer service is good.They don't bother to repair since it'll cost them more I had bad experiences with customer service(had one of their early gtr amps) .

B used to be WALMART like products of mid level gear.Made in china(now QC is better in MIC products).early B mixers and racks were made in factories (by the contractors who promise -lowest bids,thus uses cheapest components they could find for interior,EQs that doesnt really change the tone,exterior seems to look good)in CHINA.Their QC was not as good.Yes now MAKIE or anyother US Co(IBM anyone?)are made in China but from their own factories since they have to be in the business.

I would still choose Carvin(USA made) over Behringer anyday if the price is the same(for same features).But that'll never be the case since B has extremely good price/performance ratio.


Like they said-"BUY ONCE,CRY ONCE!"A PA running co. will get a more expensive 16 ch Allen & Heath mixer than 24 ch B mixer with more features ,not to mention the resale value after 2 yrs.


Of course when B stop copying and put more money on R & D ,they'll become more respected and the industry better in long run.(Not that I care,I like Cheap!




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