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#104121 - 01/30/02 07:51 PM Best PA System for Music
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Could someone advise me, what is the best PA system (for 300 to 500 people - 6 piece band) I could purchase for around USD 3000.

Thanks for your inputs.

Shiju

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#104122 - 01/30/02 08:20 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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I love the EV SX300's as tops and almost ANY powered sub will fill it out nicely.
(Also the UNpowered Mackies are a good choice - the powered ones overheat too often for my taste)The EV's will give you 300 clean continuous watts each, and the sub's are usually 600 watts or more. The Mackie sub has built in crossovers, so all you need is an amp for the tops. Do you need a complete package - mixer, effects, mics and all?
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#104123 - 01/30/02 08:38 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Uncle Dave: I still like the EV SxA100's you recommended to me a few months ago. What's difference between the EV Sx300 and the SxA100? Are the EV Sx300's better? - Scott
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#104124 - 01/30/02 08:45 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Scott, here is some EV info on both...
http://www.electrovoice.com/index.htm

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#104125 - 01/31/02 05:37 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Scott,
Shiju was asking for a 5 piece band, and the SX300's handle more power and have a wider dispersion horn. They are NON powered and require an amp - something we single performers hate to carry, if not absolutely necessary.
For you and me - the sx100a is better, but in a band situation, I'd rather have the extra oooomph of the 300's.
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#104126 - 01/31/02 06:54 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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My favorite (I own one of these) is the german system L.U.C.A.S from Hughes & Kettner. The system is composed by one Subwoofer (300 W) + two tops (150 W each), a total of 600 Watt. If more power is needed, the L.U.C.A.S 1000 is a good alternative. It has lots of power, yet clear, rich, well balanced sound.

You can find further details in: http://www.hkaudio.com/as/lucas/index.htm and http://www.hkaudio.com/as/lucas_1000/index.htm

Best regards,

José P. Matias.

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#104127 - 01/31/02 08:20 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Lucas 1000......


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#104128 - 01/31/02 09:01 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
Shiju Offline
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Hi all,

Thanks for your suggestions.

Uncle Dave; I need Mixer, Speakers and 4 microphones (ofcourse with cables). I have the effects unit.

Shiju

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#104129 - 01/31/02 09:40 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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One more clarification ?

Have you suggested powered speakers or I have to buy a power amplifier separately ?

Shiju

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#104130 - 01/31/02 10:55 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Shiju,
The LUCAS system has all the eletronics (amplifier, crossovers)inside the subwoofer box. The system is suposed to be portable, but it weights about 60 Kg (+- 120 pounds) - has 4 wheels.
I really prefer these integrated compact systems as normally I play (and carry all the stuff) alone, but there are surely good less compact solutions (unpowered speakers + power amplifier), just like Dave suggested.

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#104131 - 02/01/02 08:19 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Thank you Matias,

Which mixer are you suggesting with the above system ?

Shiju

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#104132 - 02/01/02 11:15 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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If you only need 4 mic inputs - the Mackie 1202 series is hard to beat. Beheringer makes a "knock off" thats cheaper, but the mic pre amps are not as quiet.
If your needs are simple, try this approach:
2)EV Sxa100's (powered)
1)Mackie (or other) powered sub woofer
1)Mackie 1202 vlzpro mixer.

Total cost.... under $2500. - Very portable, and very powerfull.
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#104133 - 02/01/02 02:26 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Shiju,

I would listen to Dave, in what concerns the mixer choice. I tested the Mackie 1202 VLZPro, last year, in a local shop, and it seemed to be a very high quality unit.
When in a solo act, I do not use a mixer (I use the keyboard mic input). Otherwise I use my home studio digital mixer Roland VM3100Pro (20 channels, more than you need) - very good quality - or a small Folio Notepad (Spirit by Soundcraft) mixer, with 4 mic inputs. The later has a two band equalizer and has no built-in effects. It's quality is not close to Mackie's but it's quite cheap.

The price of the basic LUCAS system was the equivalent to $1000, in Europe (with some shopping around), well below your limit. Please check for the price of LUCAS 1000.

José Matias.

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#104134 - 02/01/02 03:55 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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For solo gigs (most of them these days), I just take one EV SxA100 (or possibly two depending on the room size & venue type) along with my Yammy PSR2000 or Technics KN5000. I never take both keyboards (if I can help it).For gigs where I add other instrumental soloists (horn player, guitarist etc) or a vocalist, I'll take the Mackie 1202. Works and sounds great for a small band and is lightweight & quick to setup. I admit that the EV's have a little amplifier hum, but hardly noticeable unless you're up real close to the speakers. I compared them with the competition and think the Ev's have the smoothest natural (unhyped) frequency response for my taste, perfect for acoustic pop/country & club jazz type gigs.The biggest plus is the size/shape & balanced weight distribution. I had to take back the Mackie SRM450's because not only are they too heavy, but they are difficult to handle because of their odd shape & uneven weight distrubtion. Btw, I generally don't mic the rhythm section (drummer & bassist) The drummer is always loud enough and the bassist usually brings his own amp. - Scott
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#104135 - 02/01/02 04:51 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Thank you Uncle Dave, Scottyee & Matias,

What you have suggested is an excellent combination.

What type of monitors should I use along with Mackie 1202 vlzpro mixer ?

Thanks again for your advice.

Shiju

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#104136 - 02/02/02 02:13 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Monitors will depend on what you want to hear. If it's just vocals ... I'd suggest the Core systems (hot spot) powered monitor. It packs 85watts into a small, stand mounted box about the size of a lunch box. It can also power two more regular hoy spots, so that boosts it up to 144 watts into 3 separate speakers.
For more intense material (bas, drums, etc) you'll need something bigger. The new JBL eon10's are pretty handy - already powered, wedge shaped and sound great.
Monitors should be carefully thought out - they are a VITAL instrument in mantaining your hearing, anbd protecting the audience from too much volume as well.
If you have the mains high up on sticks BEHIND the band, and all you need is a little vocal "in your face" then get the hot spots - all three will cost about $500, and they sit on standard mic stands.
For larger monitors ..... you'll probably need three - one in the back (drummer?) and two out front (singers?)
It's really a very personal thing - plan out the stage positions, and get the right tool for the job!
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#104137 - 02/02/02 09:38 AM Re: Best PA System for Music
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Thanks Uncle Dave....

I love this site. This is an excellent site.

Bye,

Shiju

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#104138 - 02/02/02 05:10 PM Re: Best PA System for Music
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If you choose the "bigger" aproach proposed by Dave, I can add a sugestion. An excellent monitor that works very well either as a monitor or (for me) as the only sound source - in smaller venues - is ART200A from the italian RCF. RCF was bought by Mackie (one or two years ago, I don't remember well), that is selling now exactly the same product under the very same reference in the "Mackie Industrial" line.

It's a bi-amplified speaker (LF: 140W, HF:40W), weighting 17 Kg. I had the chance to compare JBL EON and RCF/Mackie ART200A. While they are both equivalent in power, the EON as a much more linear frequency response (better for classic or acoustic music), than the ART200A, with clearly boosted low and high frequencies (better for electronic music applications).

More information: http://www.mackieindustrial.com/Products/Art_Series/ART200A/ART200A.html

Good shopping!

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