Has anyone had experience with, or have opinions about Holistic "Medicine"? Holostic Medicine is basically various forms of alternative, natural health treatment. It includes life style, food and nutrition, detoxification, dental health, and muscle testing.

Glenn

What do you want to know?

I used to have a business in Alternative Medicine for 7 years doing various things and working with several MD's in this field.

Obviously this is a huge topic and a bit big and out of contest for this forum.

You're welcome to e-mail me your questions and/or talk to me on the phone wich is much easier.

I'll be working tomorrow all day (13hours), but I'm available Wed. and Thur.

Let me know

Eric

Glenn,

I've had limited success with my diabetes using supplements and herbs. The old standbys of diet and exercise work best. Before you do anything rash please check out www.quackwatch.com. Many of these folks are as phony as a three dollar bill and are only out to heal your checkbook.

Tom

I see a naturopathic doctor rather then a traditional family doctor. You may email me as well. I'm an anti-establishment rebel of sorts, so you should acept my opions with a grain of salt.
I had insulin resistance, which is a way of saying premature diabetes. I healed myself with diet & exercise as well. I think exercise helped more then the diet.
My wife is diabetic, and keeps her diabetes in check with herbs and supplements. She refuses to diet & exercise, so it is unlikely that she will be healed, IMO.
Starkeeper

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My firm belief is that the nearer you get to nature, the better you are. After all, that is what we came from and our ancestors thrived on plants in the first instance. That is why we suffer from 'modern' packed meals etc which are full of man-made thingies and lots of chemicals.
For ten years now, I have taken a daily dose (30ml) of INTRA which consists of the extracts of 21 herbs, specially chosen by the masters of nutrition. It is offered by a compnay called 'Lifestyles' which is based in Canada and is sold throughout the world.
Anyone else know of this wonderful supplement?
cheers
Eddie J

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Hi Tom,

as I said beore this is a big topic.
You are right that nobody should rush into ANYTHING.
Even surgery. Kind of common sense.

The webside you provided does'nt give you any acurate info either.

Let me enlighten you...
Besides my business that I had, I'm currently working as a Registered Nurse in a Hospital, so I know both worlds very well.

Fact: every year more than 100.000 people die from side effects of drugs in the US alone.
Fact: nobody has died from a Vitamin or Herb when correctly taken.

Fact: every year a lot of people die on the operating table which is often HUMAN error.
Fact: nobody has died on the Accupuncture or Massage table.

The Chinese have taken Ginseng successfully for various things for thousands of years.
That should make them somewhat of an expert.
When studies were done in the US they showed it wasn't effective.

However the US used 200mg of Ginseng per day, whereas the chinse use 2.000mg of Ginseng a day.
Fact: Studies in Russia showed that soldiers who took 2.000mg of Ginseng per day for 1 year did not have any viral infections.

Fact: Western medicine will give you Insulin and/or Oral Hypoglycemics for the rest of your live to heal YOUR check book.
Even though not everytime, but I have seen many times people cured from Diabetes using a combination of diet, exercise, herbs and other tratment designed for that specific person.

I have seen Quacks doing Alternative medicine and I have seen Quacks doing Western Medicine.
Some Doctors could offer there services for free and I still would'nt let them touch me.

I have seen Miracles in Western Medicine and I have seen Miracles in Alternative Medicine

I have seen some awesome honest Doctors and I have seen some awesome honest alternative Practitioners.

It all depends on sooooo many factors.
Again too much to really discuss here.

Only because someone is an alternative Practitioner doesn't make them a master.
Only because somebody has a MD behind their name doesn't make them a Master either.

Only because somebody has a KB and calls himself a OMB doesn't mean he can play or sing.

It's with everything in life.
You gotta do your homework with an open mind.

Eric

I concur with Eric 100% based on my researches & experiences. I totally lost my faith in allopathic medicines except for emergency procedures. The best way imho is to back in natural way of living. I'll expand later.
Jim

Eric,

I didn't need to be enlightened. I've already done my research and knew everything you've posted. I also remember from meeting you at the San Jose Jam (my old age dementia hasn't fully kicked in yet) that you are a RN. I don't disagree with anything you've said.

I'm just saying that there are phony secret "cures" out there practiced and promoted by people out to get the gullable's money.

I do think Quackwatch.com offers a wealth of information based on scientific and relevent facts. It also exposes some of the phony mail order degrees some of these folks have.

All I'm saying is that we should all be informed before we decide on the treatment that is right for us. I take about 10 different herbs and supplements myself. I decided on these, as well as diet and exercise based on considerable research on my part. There does seem to be some progress with the sugar levels using this course of treatment. Of course my losing 30 pounds probably also helped a lot.

I do have a disclaimer on the herbs and supplements. If all these things worked as they have been purported to work my blood glucose levels would be negative 10.

I wish I could join you folks at the west coast jam but I spent a good part of my travel budget attending the Shreveport jam. Maybe next time.

I hope you and Claudia and Sunny are all doing well!

Tom

Hi Tom,

point well taken.

I agree that there are some people out there that want to make a quick buck with things like network marketing.
They usually sell herbs that are waaay overpriced. However some of those are really good but veeery expensive over time.

Finding a good and honest practitioner is the key.
I had the fortune to meet a few of those.

The thing about sientific research is that it depends on who does it and how it's been done.
That was the point I was trying to make with the Ginseng study.

I have seen so many wrong reports, both pro and contra alternative medicine.
In alternative medicine you can't do double blind studies, because it doesn't put in account poeples individualty.

10 people might come with a headache to me and they might get 10 totally different treatments, depending on their makeup and cause of the headache.
One might have allergies, anothers neck might be out, someone has high toxic levels, another might have a viral infection, and yet another one might have nutrional defiencies etc.

See were I'm trying to come from?
But again I agree with you to do your homework about a practitioner and his or her qualifications.

BTW congrats on loosing 30lbs. Wow.
That alone must make you feel a lot better.

Regarding the jam: So far only 3 people signed up for the jam.
It might not happen at all.

It would have been great to see and hear you again.

Maybe next time.....

Either way have a great summer

Eric

I mentioned this recently,so for this thread i will repeat it. (COLLOIDAL SILVER).Do a search for yourself, not just one or two do plenty, there are negative responses from people who have support from the large pharmaceutical companies, who are doing their best to repress it(2 cases of skin turning grey).people like you and me who came accross this before were nervous to try it, since then they have become the ones that are singing it,s praises.I am not talking about the people who are selling it (they will say good things about it) (most people make it themselves)it is stated that it kills 650 diseases, it is even used in hospitals to treat burns for rapid healing.spend a few days researching it for yourselves,even then you are not committed to it, but you will be a little wiser. also look on the forums,mike