Hi friends!!

Talking about arrangers?? If we do not think of pricing the very best machine is the new to arrive Kurzweil K2500. You can sample sounds as you believe! The original Guerrini accordeon sampled by my friend: WOW!!
The K2500 has a build in arranger unlike the older K-series.

Be sure to check it out the next months when it arrives.

Ilija

Ilja,
I own a K 2600 S !
The K 2500 is already a couple of years on the market!

I understand that K2600 (or K2500) does not real-time auto-accompaniment capabilities, unlike a real arranger keyboard. I inquired about them at my local music store, at NAMM, and at the Kurzweil forum long time ago (and did get a reply from a Kurzweil rep).

Am I wrong?

You are completely wright Alex.
The K 2500 and K 2600 are synthesizers and not arrangerboards. (should have mentionned it.) Fred

Freddy is right of course, but there is a source of confusion from Kurweil:

The K2600 has "Advanced Auto Arranger functions (allows sequences to be triggered from keys with velocity sensitivity and transposition)".

But this is not the chord recognition that would be required of an arranger keyboard.

Sorry people!

I put the text on different music forums and on this one the wrong one. It is of course NOT the K2500 but a NEW version of the 2600 which has a full arranger on board!

Sorry for the confusing, but I am not really "into" Kurzweil, so I remembered some things, but not the correct type!

Ilija

That was not my understanding from all my previous enquiries, as well as from Fred's post above. Is this something new?, or a specific model of K2600?

There is no such K 2600 neither is it coming to my knowledge.
Sure you make a style on the sequencer, but that is not the same as auto-chord recognition.

The only thing which will be added in the future are romboards 3 and 4.

Thanks Fred,

That's what I thought. I suppose, that also explains why it sounded so good to Ilija's ear - the music must have been sequenced (perhaps realtime parts too?)

Regards,
Alex

I go totally off topic now; anyway,
It's a realtime sequencer which works flawlessly and I would like to add that anybody who is able to work with an arranger board can handle a Kurzweil.
Let's face it , the arranger boards are the
toughest keyboards to handle well.

It does have a learning curve but it's so logically built up, that you won't have much problems to understand.
If you go into the VAST technique for producing your own sounds , sure this will keep you of the street for a year or so..but
the on board sounds ( I also have rom 1 and 2) and the sampler (max 128MB) give you already limitless possiblities.

You cannot compare the sounds with the sounds on the arranger boards.
The piano is a piano, The violin is a violin and so on... Ilja is absolutely wright there.
I had the VA 7 over the weekend at home just before my holiday and allthough it sounds good it missed the dynamic expression of a real instrument , like the K 2600 has.
The only thing which is tough on the K 2600 are the drums. Here the VA 7 was better.
But this has more to do with my lack of experience with the Kurz I guess.
But paying dfl 6000,-- ( us$ 2400) for drums only is a lot, so I probably buy a cd rom with drum sounds and load them in the Kurz.
Unlike most of you I don't gig, I use it at home for recording and composing.
Fred

fred,
does the k2600 have any arabic or western sounds?

Yes it does, allthough I cannot recall which ones, but even if it had no arabic or other ethnic sounds, it does not matter, because you can Load/Fill any bank with any sound.
(*raw*wav*aif - emu-akai- etc...)

Some very good examples can be heard on;
(I think someone was looking for a steinway)
http://www.pyramid-sound.com
http://www.boldersounds.com

Fred

Well Fred,

You are right about that. The Kurzweil sounds are u-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e.

But there IS a new Kurzweil coming WITH an arranger.

Ilija

PS Waar in Nederland?

Kurzweil has had a number of arranger-type boards for a while, under the guise of the piano-type home instruments. They sound pretty good, but not as good as K2600; they don't have expandable/editable sound set or built-in sampling. The number of styles is fairly small - IMHO they lag behind the top-of-the line offerings from Yamaha, Roland, and even Technics. They are also way too expensive for me.

I hope the instrument Ilija is talking about is a portable keyboard with many of the features of K2600 plus auto-accompaniment styles, rather than one of the home-keyboard piano-type insturments.