I for one would be interested to hear them

Thanx

Tomorrow
Bebop

Bebop....pics.....demos....etc please.

good luck

Donny, the new version of the old Danish G70 site - http://roland-arranger.com/ has all the E80 pics, demos and info you are likely to need.

The site is (and always has been) in English, and now deals with ALL Roland arrangers, NOT just the G70....

The Roland site Diki links to is superb, always has been.
The monthly styles by Mark someone is it (can't think of the name) are also very good. If you download all of the G70 styles and user registrations there are loads to get you going with the E80.

Thanx Diki I will check it out asap.....

Donny,

The E80 is pretty heavy. Do you think you can lift it at your age? Don Mason had to give up on the G70 because of his feeble body.

Tom

Let's face it, some of the TOTL arrangers ARE heavy. But not un-liftable... Most of your grandkids weigh more! Doesn't stop too many of you from the occasional lift!

Look, guys, there are ways of dealing with weight. Leverage, dollies, the occasional waiter... It can be done. One of the things I have started to do is to place the keyboard (in it's flight case) on any convenient platform (a low table, a couple of chairs, on top of your speakers on the floor, whatever, before you lift it out of the case. It helps your back enormously to not have to bend right down to the floor to lift the keyboard out. Ditto for putting it back IN the case. Try it, it helps!

Many of you do gardening, or a bit of construction on your homes. You are often faced with a challenge to lift something heavy. But do you whine at the cement makers that it needs to be lighter (even if it is less strong and durable..? No, you find a way to get it done.

A little exercise is supposed to be good for us! Just use common sense and leverage, and none of the heavier arrangers pose MUCH of a problem to any but the most frail. Unfortunately, TOTL features come at a TOTL weight (maybe with the exception of the T2, but many dislike that it has no speakers), and if you want no-compromise sound, and a 76 note action (I don't care what anyone says, trying to play the piano sound on a 61 is an exercise in futility if you CAN play a real piano), you will HAVE to deal with at least a certain amount of weight.

Just be grateful that the seventies are over, and you no longer need to lug around a Rhodes Suitcase AND a B3! Even the heaviest of modern arrangers is laughably light compared to the old keyboards we grew up with. My G70 (45 lbs) replaces a van-load of 100 lb. keyboards, and my back never felt better....

not to mention the stage 73!! and the cp70!!!

The 120 lb. CP30, the 220 lb. CS-80, the 95 lb. Kurzweil 250, the 72 lb. K2500X....

Jeez, some people don't know when they got it good!

I know when I got it good ...... UNDER 25 lbs !

exactly!!!!
dennis

I could see Don complaining he's real old but Im only 54 & cut

Diki...in the 60's & 70's I carried 4 Kbs stacked nightly plus 147 leslies & various amps & Pa's also.....you dont miss what isn't created yet .....but now we have lightweight KB's...that do the job admirably so why not embrace them.....
I didn't say I was getting a E80



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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.... Over 50, and still capable of lifting 45 lb. without TOO much complaint. First keyboard capable of doing and feeling exactly the same as what I've got with ZERO sacrifice will get my money. Till then, enjoy your toys....

When they make a 25 lb. keyboard that sounds better and plays better than my G70, you let me know. Until then, at least admit you are making a compromise for the sake of a few pounds, rather than pretending you have an equivalent 'board...

Jeez, where are all the harmonica players calling you lightweight arranger players out...? You want to reduce weight? THERE'S a real lightweight....

If you every get the chance to see Uncle Dave perform with a -25lb 3k you might think twice before you post

Meanwhile the E80 has been dropped from my latest inquisitive list....I'm too busy playing to bother myself with when is it gonna come out scenarios......when the time comes & if it can be found & if I like it I'll buy one....otherwise the KB's I have do the job.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 05-17-2007).]

Donny how could you m8, no E80.

We'd started a sweep stake on Skype as to how long it would be before you sold one after getting it hehe - just kiddin'

You don't need another new toy if the one you already use gets you bookings and $ (which it obviously does).

Well, you haven't heard me on the G70 either....

I guarantee you can find someone that plays the heck out of a ten year old Casio. Doesn't mean that you should all go out and get one.

And why can't we compare apples to apples? Find a 25 lb. 76-er, THEN come and gloat....

It's like I say 'my minivan can go 90 mph.' and someone replies 'yeah, so what... My Maserati does 185....' and then, after you go 'yes, but I can get 15 people in my minivan' they go 'But my Maserati does 185'...!

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Man I got a headache reading this stuff
I will repeat....I really couldn't give a hoot what instrument anyone plays ....
or how they do it.....just do it and make it sound Great! You cant fool my ears.
Diki why not post some tunes for us just for the heck of it....maybe I'll learn something?

dnj, why dont YOU post some tunes...you are always pestering others to do so, asking for demos of this and that and then having the discourtesy of essentially saying you didnt really care anyway as what you've got is all you are interested in????...so come one, don't be the one who "talks the most and does the least"..show us YOUR stuff

I think its time too lurk again the atmosphere in here stinks.

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thanks for the link...my bad for thinking you dont put yourself out there...btw i always have fun(even posting here )...do you use midis on those songs? they were not bad, bit "elevatorish" but not too bad, ive heard worse..one thing though, maybe a bit less rev/slapback on the vocal...
once again, thanks for the link....just goes to show that all you need is "2 fingers and an organ to have fun"!!! no?
ciao

Donny,

Diki posted a clip of himself on the G70 using the Sunshine Bossa pattern a few weeks ago (maybe months). He used an Acoustic guitar, Sax and organs.

It sounded excellent!! one of the best examples of its sound quality i have heard on the G70...

The link expired, so I reposted it at
http://roland-arranger.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=150.new#new

It's just a quick demo of what the OOTB sound of the G70 is like. Reset my G70 to factory specs, picked a random style, ONLY used the factory OTSs, and improvised something quickly. No edits, no tweaks, no nothing. One time only. EXACTLY the experience anyone opening the box and playing the G70 for the first time.

I did it in ten minutes, back in Dec '06..... Enjoy.

OK, Donny, I've shown you mine.....

Bueller..... Bueller...... Bueller...... . . . . .

sorry, you mean you were not already lurking?
must have been a short gig

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diki yaps & posts the same old demo stuff......that's was disappointing & unimpressive was hoping for some current stuff.

all we do is bicker about nothing....

more then half of the quality posters have left SZ.....

all we do is fight about stupid stuff or post off topic crap......give me a break....the most I do is lurk to entertain my bordemness...I love Nigels efforts to keep this thing going.....
but I'm real tired of the repetative nonsense, know it all attitudes....but heck I have the option to just pass it by without a thought as always .....no sense getting irritated. If this truth bothers anyone so be it.

A proud Yamaha & Roland player I remain !

PS....& on top of that I play everything in C

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 05-18-2007).]

Well, at least you are honest enough to include yourself in the "all WE do is bicker about nothing...." and "all WE do is fight about stupid stuff or post off topic crap" comment.

Perhaps you should be part of the solution rather than the problem before you call others out for doing the same thing as you? Where are YOUR riveting, informative and 'quality' posts? Oh yes.... "I've got an E80 coming - No I don't. I've got a Korg PA800 in my future... No I don't. I want a Mediastation... No I don't...." Fascinating, Donny

Don't forget, you asked for this disappointing and unimpressive stuff. Show me yours.

In fact, why not try the same exercise...? Reset your PSR to factory stock, pick a random ROM style (don't peek!) and record a short improvised piece with no rehearsal. No do-overs, no editing, no tweaks. Be honest.

You can dish it out.... Can you take it?

I rest my case.......thank you

So I guess you are gracing us with your PSR3k version of 'The Sound of Silence"?

Disappointing and unimpressive barely begins to describe your response... But of course, you probably have another non-answer to follow this.

You have to MAKE a case before you can rest it.

Oh, and not to toot my own horn (got a trombone for that!), here's Ian's response to my demo....
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Very nice Diki...great improv.
Ian

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Remember to leave good news alone.
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And there you were, saying you agreed with all of Ian's posts.....

(Oh, BTW, I think I liked Ian's old signature better. Maybe it's time for a new one? Wouldn't want to get tedious or anything... )

OK, this might be quite off-topic, but I want to thank the SZ users for posting these repetitve bickering messages.

I use your threads to show my children how NOT to behave, when they post messages in Internet fora.

Your disgraceful behaviour is very usable, when you want to teach your children how NOT to behave on the Internet...

So thanks for you indirect support helping me to educate the next generation of Internet forum posters...

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Careful, Søren, or Donny will start posting at roland-arranger.com!

Anyone is welcome at the roland-arranger.com forum - also Donny!

But I suppose some of the SZ posters will think the roland-arranger.com forum is too boring as there are no arguing going on. Only friendly people wanting to help and support eachother in a respectful way...

I suppose the good karma of the roland-arranger.com forum does not attract people with bad intentions...

However, keep up "the good work"! For educational purpose (telling my youngster how not to behave) this forum is absolutely a goldmine of information!

I liked the old signature a lot too, Diki, but this one seems to get more attention...I've even had some members PM me and tell me how much they liked it.

I think I should keep it for a while...you know the old latin phrase: "Repetitio est mater memoriae/ studiorum/" or, for those who didn't take Latin in school,
"Repetition is the mother of memory/studies"

Now, if you could only figure out how to get "chord sequencer" into your signature....

Ian



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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

I don't know.... I think I am being tedious enough already..

But perhaps you can suggest a couple?

"I want my.... I want my.... I want my Left Hand back...."? Too Police?

"If God made arrangers, He'd put a Chord Sequencer in...."? Too sacrilegious..?

"My Left Hand is too lazy to play ALL the time"? Too close to the truth....

Suggestions invited.....

I don't know, Diki, but I would figure a clever guy like you would make one up easily, but here are a few to get you started........

"A day without a chord sequencer is like a day without my left hand."

"A day without a chord sequencer is like a day without...uh...I don't know what it's like, but it sucks!"

Perhaps a more direct plea?

"Roland, Korg and Yamaha too....Diki want a chord sequencer from you."


Ian



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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

this is not very helpful for those of us that come to this post to learn something about our new E 80 keyboards
Bebop

Sorry, Bebop...just joking around...didn't mean to offend you.

Ian

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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

Sorry for the hijack, bebop.

Perhaps you could put it back on track with some more views about the E80 yourself, now you've had it a bit more?

(Oh, and did you find out yet about that screenshot feature, so you can share your EQ and speaker sim presets?)
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My left hand is getting bored... Can I have my Chord Sequencer back......?

I have been doing more playing then studying in this 280 page manual so I don''t have much of anything new to report. I did get an E from Roland Sales Manager and he told me more about the things he had installed in it for me. I need to look into those things next.
I have no idea how to get any of the info you asked for out of the keyboard and into a post.
I really hesitate to dig into things I don't yet know or understand about this keyboard because of the off chance of changing something and loosing the great sound it has.
So...........I am proceeding very cautiously at this point. This is the first roland keyboard I have ever had out of the many others except for the JV1080 Rack Module with 4 insert cards in it that is still in one of the racks. That means it is a totally new learning curve for me.
I sure hope that anyone that has any helpful information will post it here for us Roland Newbies,
Best to all,
Bebop

Hi Bebop
Just do a backup of all your settings before you change anything, that way if it goes wrong you won’t loose anything. (As you progress with the instrument don’t forget to delete earlier Backups to free up disk space)
Also don’t forget to go to bed once in a while, as E80 will still be there in the morning.

Bill

My first piece of E80 advice, bebop, is get an FC-7 footswitch if you haven't already. It makes for almost 90% hands-free running of the arranger without taking your hands from the keyboard (probably 75% of all arranger mistakes come from taking the left hand off the keys to hit a button, and then dash back for a chord change).

I even use mine for sustain, too. I just carry the FC-7, no sustain pedals (although I am thinking of going back to regular piano sustain pedals and getting two more functions on the pedal). At the moment, I use mine like so, from left to right

Var 1 (change auto-fill from the front panel, usually on)
Var2
Var3
Var 4
Lower sustain
Upper sustain
Leslie Fast/Slow

But I'm sure you'll have your own priorities. Just get one. I couldn't gig without mine, hardly....

Hi BEBOP,

Here are 50 great tips for you . They are G-70 tips, but you can use most of them on your E-80 too. Some of the tips might be important to you as a newbie...

There are many knowledgeable users here at SZ, and they can probably help you with your questions... But if you want additional help and support I can also offer you help and support by using this board to ask any question that you do not find answers too elsewhere. Your questions will be answered by the most well-informed Roland Arranger community on the Internet! The forum boards are monitored by Roland R&D technicians and the forum administration has direct to Roland via backchannels in the Roland organization. We are looking forward to help, so feel free to ask any question

thanks guys, these are good tips and info.
I am only a newbie to Roland and E 80 but over 30 years experience on other keyboards don't really show me how to deal with this Roland OS. I played Piano for 70 years too but that doesn't help much either I am getting it though One page at a time
I am referring other people on my email lists to these posts here in the synthzone too as they are purchasing or considering purchasing of the E 80 so you are actually helping more people then you know.
Thanks again to all,
Bebop

Bill,
How is this backup done. It is done in the computer or in the keyboard and what is it backed up too.
Kindly advise,
Bebop

Hi Bebop,

One of the user club members at the roland-arranger.com forum has written a "backup for dummies" instruction for the G-70 (which also apply to the E-80), which can be found here . Following the instruction you will backup your data from the internal memory of your G-70/E-80 to your PC.

An alternative backup (light) instruction can be found here. Following the procedure will backup your internal data to an external memory card instead of a PC. You find the instruction here.

Just keep them questions coming. At roland-arranger.com we have a HUGE database of valuable knowledge, and we will be honoured to help and support you

[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 05-21-2007).]

Weissefar this is great and the kind of help we need for this new learning curve.
Would you do me a favor and also post this in the Roland Arranger forum that we are going to use for these G and E keyboards at: http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=38&SUBMIT=Go
I have also started an email list and would invite you to share with us via email too. My email addy is just above.
thanks much,
Bebop

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BEBOP
Senior Member SYNTHZONE FORUMS Retired Moderator of Technics Forum. Now restarting Roland Arranger Forum
Bill Forrest in Central CALIF. USA
ICQ # 562519
Homepage http://www.anycities.com/bebop/

[This message has been edited by BEBOP (edited 05-24-2007).]

Hi BEBOP
With all due respect I will refrain from sharing knowledge via email lists, because knowledge in that case will only be shared with the users on that specific email list. Instead I prefer to share knowledge in an open forum so everyone can benefit from the information in the forum threads. Please be tolerant with me if I misunderstand something. I wish you the best of luck and as mentioned before the roland-arranger.com community will be ready to answer any question from you and others struggling with your new Roland arranger keyboards

we share common info, styles, songs, etc. via forums, email lists, word of mouth and in person as the opportunity presents itself.
In fact 7 years ago I started the Technics forum that is here in the Synthzone by using email only as that was all I had at that time. That was back when the UK Forum was treating us like second class citizens and we soon vacated their forum.
Bebop

Unfortunately, the Roland forum has pretty much languished in neglect here at SZ for at least two years (that I know of), possibly a result of the incredibly hostile reaction Roland users received on the main SZ arranger forum for a while, but possibly (I like to think this, at least!) because of the incredible site Søren put up based out of Denmark (but still - very generously, IMO - entirely in English!), that took a very friendly approach, and an organized attitude towards bug reporting that Roland have acknowledged helped them greatly during the shakedown period for the new generation of arrangers.

Add to that Roland's acknowledgment of the worth of our Feature Request forum (that Roland incorporated SEVERAL user suggestions from into the OS updates), and a pretty firmly moderated general forum (plus, you can't get too much defensive/combative posts on a forum that ALL of us had the same arranger!), and it is hard to drop into the SZ Roland forum and see a post or two a month, tops, compared to what the Danish G70 Users Club used to get.

One strength of the new Roland-arranger.com site is that ALL content can be hosted on-site. User demos, files of most any kind (legal, that is!) user videos, official Roland stuff, just about anything is right on the site. No having to post ay yousendit, and provide links (that expire), no having to email each other (although we do have an entire user email client and user postboxes), no having to go elsewhere for content. It's a one-stop shop!

So while in NO way do I encourage anyone to not post at the SZ Roland forum, unfortunately I am already invested (and many, many others too) in the Roland-arranger site, and don't really feel the need to duplicate our efforts.

I still surf in the SZ Roland forum from time to time, and try to help out if I can, but it usually, these days, just to post a link to the needed information at our site...

BEBOP: "Now restarting Roland Arranger Forum"

didn't know the Roland forum on this site had been shut down??

Hi BEBOP

When treated like second class of course people invent their own ways to communicate. But that is not how we (the Roland-arranger community) are treated today, right? So no need for en e-mail list, if you ask me...

I have the deepest respect for your choice in wanting to communicate via closed e-mail lists and I wish you the best of luck in doing that.

I can tell you that I started communicating with other G-70 users back in December 2004 via an e-mail list, so I have tried this approach in knowledge sharing.

My experience is, however, that an open forum leads to a greater success, so I will personal go for that way of communicating (www.roland-arranger.com)

At roland-arranger.com we also share info, styles, songs, registrations, user sets, MP3's, videos etc. etc. Everything for free and of common benefit of ALL the users in the global community. So I don't think that a closed email list will provide me with stuff that I don't already have - on the contrary, a closed email list will prevent someone from acquire new skills and new files. I am not a big fan of such a strategy...

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