lets look at the future shall we.....B3/C3 yeah I'm glad I lived thru those so called glory day times....I carry the memories with me every night.....
but in reality its not mainstream anymore ...but it is still a slice of the musical performance venues many people like to enjoy if you seek it out.......because that is what we have now in this world a big Music Pie with many many many SLICES to taste if you want to.



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Taike why the Hammond RUSH.....
too much coffee

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Its actually a combination of the Hammond XK135 and the Ketron XD9 (If memory serves correct) and was first showcased at the Pakefield keyboard Festival last September, with notes being taken on what people liked and disliked about it so that the production version would have what the uses wanted.

Bill

Coffee? Yuck!

Doesn't have to be about Yamaha all the time, eh?

Hammond? The very best!!

Owned three of them over the years.

Nice to see they are staying with the times and technology, something they didn't do years ago, and that led to their downfall.

Great links....I'll have a green tea please?

Ian


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Do you really think the average person in the audience knows the difference between a Hammond sound and a good facimile.....& when Is a Hammond arranger coming?

It�s been out some time. http://www.hammondorgan.co.uk/b3/xe.htm

Bill

Taike,
Very interesting!
On another subject, I notice your profile says Taiwan-Laos. It would be extremely interesting to know what type of venues are available there. Are musical tastes that much different from U.S.?
Maybe that would be a good idea for a new thread, comparing the differing cultures of our SZ participants, at least as they relate to music.
Thanks,
Don

Maby the audience can't tell the difference bertween a Hammond and a copy...but I can, and being satisfied with your sound is a big part of playing/performing enjoyment.


Russ

Pretty darn cool! Love to try one of these out...especially the double manual model.

Ian



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You may be right about personal enjoyment comfort zone & pros know what a real B3 sounds like, Russ I'll agree with you there.....but sometimes what WE as musicians enjoy & play could go against you vs what the audience likes & what needs to be played to make a living on each venue....

If the proposition is that the audience can't tell the difference, then the player is the only one that matters.

Russ

Let me explain Russ...I see too many musicians play what they love to play with total disregard to what the audience likes & in return they just get less & less work till they are no more on the circuit...
Playing what you love at home is one thing....playing to make the audience happy is another whether you like it or not...its a job like any other. Times are changin real fast out here eh?

Donny, I agree with what you say relative to playing what the audience likes vs only playing what the player likes. My point was, in response to your question about whether the audience can tell the difference between a real B and an alternative, I said that if the audience can't tell the difference they don't care what the choice is. in that case, to me, the only thing that matters then is what I want to play(real or fake B).

Again, semantics


R.

EXCEPT.....the biggest and best in the industry seem to play what they want and let the audience come to THEM. It depends on what your goals are. For the journeyman professional, you're right, Donny, but you're never going to get beyond a certain level playing "Alley Cat", no matter how much that little ol' lady in the audience likes it. Soooooo, if you've got ambitions but still feel that you must play "Moon River", it had better be a kick-ass version.
JMO.

chas

Chas...MY MAN! Hey, you think "Feeble Winds" could do a jazz waltz version of Ally Cat on spoons and washboard?

NO!


Doghouse

But here we are, discussing the pros and cons of a real B3 on an arranger forum, arguably the most 'fake' way to make music out there.....

Long before the difference between a real B3 and a clone makes any difference to an audience, the difference between a real bassist and drummer and an arranger has already been noticed.......

Hi,
Perhaps you may be interested in this site. http://www.hammond-organ.com/
All the best,
Fred Wren.

P.S. We are going on holiday,tomorrow 19-1-007, to Spain for a week,Looking forward to some sun shine.It's a bit windy in the U. K. at the momment!!
By for now
Fred.

Excactly Diki I agree......but you know something? I love it !! I have moved on....yes I have the memories of my big band days but arrangers allow me to make a living playing music, I do it my way without regard to any naysayers....just the fact that a person even "PLAYS" an instrument is unique enough in this high tech world....
Have a wonderful musical day & play music...

....gotta agree with that.

chas

Like Donny, I agree...IMO we're masters of fakery.

I also laugh all the way to the bank, as I am lucky enough to make the technology work for me.

If we are fooling people, it is no worse than the original purpose that Laurens Hammond had for his new instrument/organ which "a panel of experts and students displayed a remarkable inability to distinguish from a $75,000 Skinner pipe organ in blindfold tests.�

If I'm not mistaken, the early synthesizers were frowned upon because of their potential ability to put "real musicians" out of work...then along came the arranger keyboards...and finally, the DJ.

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Ian



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Long live arrangers and the few that know how to play them

Not one person (outside this forum) I know could even turn my arranger on - yet alone play it! I have years of training and experience that got me to my current level.

We are a fortunate minority folks, whether we know it or not.

zuki

Don't you mean The DNJ?

Look how far arrangers have come. From humble casio machines to real instruments. There is enough variation available that we can be both fakers and originators. As always, the trick is to master your instrument, play for yourself, and for your audience.

hi
if you ever get the chance to sit and play at a top organ like a wersi, lowery, hammond, then not only do you hear the diffrence but you feel it too. like russ said it does feel so diffrent and you realise just how wonderful the great organs are.
bill

Now, don't get me wrong, everybody, you all know I own and use arrangers very gratefully in my professional life, it's just that I don't try to kid myself that using them is any better (or even as good as!) than a real rhythm section.

I try to play with as many full bands as I can, and only use the arranger if budget or opportunity are not there. For those of you that somehow feel that playing with an arranger is 'better' than the real bands you may have played with in your younger days, I feel sad.....

To have never played with musicians that lift your spirits and lubricate your creativity is a great loss, and, no matter how successful your arranger business is, if you lose touch with playing live, with BOTH HANDS, reacting TO what your rhythm section does rather than making it react solely to you, you get further and further away from the source of real music.

Music is a conversation, not a speech.....

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VERY WELL SAID, Diki!

You're absolutely right!

Russ

Diki I know all of what you say playing with 7 pcs for over 20 years....but I'm a realist and have a family that counts on me which is my #1 priority .....call it fakery, magic, or whatever, its a business like any other you make it float or you sink baby thats the bottom line...