Squeak you are more than able to create great sounding hip hop styles/grooves in the T2 and the S90ES (which has the Motif sound set in it), it's simply a case of being able to use and program well what you have purchased

Diki,
You are SPOT ON! The arranger market WOULD explode if they started making them with the "modern minded" musician in mind.

The original DJX proves that. As you stated they sold a mother of a "boatload" of DJX's. Then they insulted all the DJX supporters and released that half-assed DJXII. Yes the light should have come on with the original model. I knew many music stores that couldn't keep those things in stock!

The makers certainly can make a good modern style based arranger. However, they're all businesses that see "green". A killer (decent) priced pro-modern style arranger would compete "directly" with the synth market. If Yamaha and other's did this you better bet your arse they'll smack a $3,000 or more price tag on it.

Squeak



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Craig,
I know you can do this with the S90ES (because as you stated it does have the Motif soundset).

You can do it to some degree with the T2 as well--but that's really just because (IMO) of the optional hard drive which would let you load in new samples.

I think a Korg or Roland high end arranger would favor better for (out of the box) Hip Hop though. That's because (IMO) Korg and Roland do a better job at "synth" sounds, and (IMO) I think you get better voice editing options with a Korg or Roland.

Squeak

Squeak I think you should take a look more at the T2 with your eyes open this time. The editing facilities give you the opportunity to make great sounding bass, pad and synth sounds that can easily rival and compete with the S90ES and even my old Korg Triton IMO).
It's obvious to me that you love Roland and Korg more, but the editing facilities of the T2 when linked to the PC (OR NOT FOR SQUEAKS SAKE) are far superior to what the G70 ever gave me. No idea what you get with Korg in terms of editing.
Anyway enough of this tit for tat I've got better things to waste my time on

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Do I like Roland...???? Do I truly like them more? I'd probably have to say NO. Because if I did there wouldn't be a Yamaha MO8 sitting in my set up. In the arranger department I'd favor a Roland, but in synths I like Both Yamaha and Roland. Korg hasn't really tickled my pickle.

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, but the editing facilities of the T2 when linked to the PC are far superior to what the G70 ever gave me.
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There you have it--hooked up to a computer. Can the same level of control be achieved from within the T2.

I NEVER LOOK AT A KEYBOARD WITH MY EYES CLOSED. Please don't say such offensive things to me. I'm a di-hard Hip Hop nut. I've been writing it for a VERY LONG time. I know the tools of the trade (just as the "traditional" arranger players know their tools of the trade), I also know that to date (NO ARRANGER) has (EVER) sat up there with the likes of a Motif, Triton, and Fantom when it comes to writing Hip Hop, Rap, and R&B.

That doesn't make arrangers bad. They just are not designed for it. Arrangers have always been geared towards traditional styles. There have been the few exceptions such as the DJX and the EG-101.

Squeak



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Folks let me add something here. With all do respect to the many great musicians here..., I would never in a million years try to tip the cup on any of you by preaching to you on a music style that's not my forte, and styles that other's here have years more experience in than I do.

So with that in mind please respect my position (and my knowledge) in the area of HIP HOP in that I have years of experience writing this style of music, and that this style is not the norm on this forum.

Also that I know what gear fits the needs of a Hip Hop artist. Despite what some are saying the Tyros 2 OUT OF THE BOX will NOT produce the same quality of Hip Hop, that you'd find on a unit designed with that style in mind--arranger's just don't fit the bill PERIOD.

I would never tell a great jazz player such as Scott Yee (personally not being no where near his skill level in that style of music), what arranger keyboard is best for him--or anything related to Jazz--since that isn't my strongest area.

If you're not into a style such as Hip Hop how can anyone preach to me... the MANY benefits of having a TyrosII and how it will perform in that style of music.

Also keep in mind LOCATIONS. Hip Hop, Rap, and R&B are huge US based industries--sure our artists tour overseas, but there are differences in the same genres from different corners of the world.

Squeak

Squeak. I don't consider myself even 1/20th as good as what is expected of a true jazz player. My only real connection to jazz is that I studied & played jazz in college. the closest thing to jazz I play now are what they call the jazz standards, and I'm not even talking about Charlie Parker & Miles Davis, but Gershwin, Porter, & Hoagy Carmichael Standards played with a swing and/or latin rhythm. My specialty is the Great American Songbook (songs from the 20's thru the 60's). I consider myself more of a musical stylist, I enjoy performing (with my own interpretation) the Country & R&B Standards as well. - Scott

I understand Scott, but I didn't study Jazz in college, so you'll know way more about the area than I wil--since it's not my stong point.

Also you're into into the era that you mentioned. I myself--not being a skilled musician in those area wouldn't NEVER think about schooling you in what you need or what you need to do

It just bother's me to see other's here, who have no experience in Hip Hop telling me what I need and what I don't need to get the job done.

Squeak

Squeak puts Tyros 2 OUT OF THE BOX will NOT produce the same quality of Hip Hop, that you'd find on a unit designed with that style in mind--arranger's just don't fit the bill PERIOD.

If arrangers don't fit the bill PERIOD then why put in your opinion Korg and Roland are better for synth sounds and editing when it comes to out of the box hip hop above? What you've just posted goes against your previous post. Are you just trying to say the T2 is crap for synth sounds?
Obviously no arranger is going to match a dedicated synth or module where it's main use and sound set is geared for hip hop.
Having read some of your previous posts on SZ it makes my a*se laugh as you contradict yourself on the odd occasion.

What are you talking about? I KNOW I'm not the ONLY one here who has said ROLAND AND KORG give you better voice editing options with their upper end arrangers.

Hell even the Casio MZ-2000 has more voice editing power than the PSR-3000. I PERSONALLY feel that Roland and Korg have had a better quality of SYNTH sounds when compared to Yamaha.

I never said the synth sounds in the Tyros2 were crap. You can go on and on defending the Tyros 2 and it's ability to produce (modern hip hop) all you want, but if you really want to see what I'm talking about by all means drop some "modern hip hop" beats on the T2 and post for all hear to listen to.

Seriously "prove me wrong". I have no problem saying geeee you may be right. So prove me wrong. I'm telling your from personal experience, that currently NO arranger on the market will give you the same level of hip hop you'd find on a synth.

Again if you think otherwise prove me wrong.

Squeak