Posted by Nick:
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For a long time keyboards have had really tacky old fashioned styles when it comes to "rap" or "hip hop" or "techno" but now its good enough and at the level it should be.
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This I have to disagree with. To get a better understanding I suggest you put a PSR-3000 along side a Triton Studio/Extreme, Yamaha Motif, or Roland Fantom.

Listen to the patterns on these workstations, and also pay close attention to the "kits" used for them. With no disrespect to the PSR-3000, but it couldn't even come close to a Motif, Fantom, or Triton. That's not to say the 3000's poor, but these synths are designed to handled these styles, and do it well. They have the horse power to do it, as well as the sound sets, ability to expand upon the sound sets, and sequencers also designed to handle the production of these styles more efficiently--meaning "groove box style".

Squeak

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Squeek,

what your saying is definitely true about the lack of drum kits and samples, but for ON BOARD FACTORY STYLES, I really beleieve the PSR 3k and the T2 would have to be on top of the arranger market

I have one off topic question for all PSR 3k owners or people who have just used the board for an evaluation of such...

Were u using the on board built in speakers ONLY or was it hooked to a bigger speaker setup??

If you only listen to this board using the built in speakers, I would say your REALLY missing out..Drums sound tinny, everything is bland and completely lacks punch...

Especially for the modern dance and R&B styles...

Cheers

I agree they 3K and T2 have come a long way (or just Yamaha in general) with these styles. However, personally I feel Korg's and Roland's upper end arrangers handle them a little better (my opinion of course).

Oh I'm also one of the younger members here as well, not really young, but no where near retirement. I'm sitting quite comfortable in the 30+ category

I've been shaking my arse to hip hop, rap, and R&B since the early and mid 80's (back when those styles put the "cheese" in the industry)

Squeak



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 07-21-2006).]

I realise most people in this forum are above 40 or 50 so I guess Hip Hop and Bro Ibiza 2004 beats arent very popular

Yeah you may be right on that one That's why I posted a demo of some hip hop. I thought I'd bring a new (rarely heard) style to the forum. Maybe spice things up a bit--change is always good

Squeak

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 07-21-2006).]

Squeak,
you really have to take a look in Hypersonic2.

Synths and basses galore!!!

And thw wife won't notice...

I'm over 50. It's not the beats that are a problem for me, it's the lack of a melody line. My young roomate plays dance music. Just came back from a block party thrown by Chrysler, were they had a DJ playing dance music. The beat is great, but I get bored after a while, cause that's all there is. No melody, no catchy chorus like the Dixie Chicks, no instrumental lead voices, just a beat. Just an opinion from an old guy.
Starkeeper

Starkeeper,
I agree that some is boring and lacks melody, I couldn't tell you any artists names off the top of my head, but I've hung out with friends who listen to dance music, and much of the music they played had melodies as well.

Possibly some of the makers focus more on the beat, and others focus on a strong beat, and melodies.

Squeak

It doesn't matter what current arranger has the 'best' hiphop or rap beats in it, because, as I said in my first post, they are a tiny fraction of the whole soundset. One or two great beats are not going to drive a block party - you wouldn't use an arranger that only had two or three ballroom styles (or whatever you're into), and no young player is going to get worked up about an arranger with two or three semi-lame urban styles.

For arrangers to sell well in the US (young players with plenty of disposable income is the wet dream of the industry!) they are finally going to have to develop styles that won't embarrass a young playa in front of his friends!

squeak, you're right about the DJX....... they sold a boatload of those, why didn't the light come on?

I think the arrangers with sampling capabilities are the answer, but the manufacturers have GOT to implement USB 2 for loading them - currently it's WAY too slow for live use.

We also need to put pressure on the arranger makers to allow us to make ANY track a 'drum' track - in other words, even if it uses a melodic element, not just a drum kit, we should be able to disable the transposing of it when we change chords in the left hand (I don't know of any arranger that does this, but I'm only really familiar with Rolands).

A couple of changes to the OS and a faster way to load samples, and I think the arranger market would EXPLODE..........!