Again! Everyone has their own opinion on what may be a pro arranger. I don't use arrangers, so I can't say much when it comes to ease of use and features, but I can say that the keys and look of the 3000 says "toy" to me. The sounds aren't that geat either, "I ony heard it thru it's own speakers" The Korg arrangers have pro sounds in my opinion very close to the Triton "A pro keyboard". In regards to the statement that was made about if the 3000 is not a pro arranger, why do us pros use it. Well let me just say that a friend of mine plays out with a casio and always busy making good money, so my response to that is: everyone has their own opinion to which arrangers/keyboards are pro, and audiences also have an opinion to who is a PRO, really depends who you are playing for and how much you want to invest. Same with a car. A yugo will take you to the same place a Rolls Royce will and it's cheaper on gas. Personally as a Pro I want a pro quality keyboard to match my pofessional capabilites as a performer.

[This message has been edited by SYNTH_GUY (edited 12-23-2004).]

I guess we are all looking for something different...I had my Triton Studio 76 for a week before selling it...It didn't work for me..It was more dance oriented...and I didn't like the piano...heck my PSR2100 lasted 3 months, before I let it have a new home...I would not want either one again..

For now the G1000 still works best for me...Maybe the G70 will be my next keeper...

Bang for the buck, I guess it is hard to beat the PSR3000....but it is not for everyone[and me]..

The "PRO" isnt in the KB ...
it's in the Musician

PS I didnt care for the triton or motif also....howver in that KB catagory I enjoyed playing the FANTOM.

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Dnj is right! There's a bass player here who uses an old Kay...cracks all over the place, plywood construction...patches and strings about one inch off the neck. He can blow me off the bandstand, Zeta or imported Austrian bass not withstanding.

There's also an old guy playing an M-3 that has to be hit two or three times to get it working. A terrible instrument! In his hands, he also can blow me off the bandstand. (Hey, see a pattern here?).

The "pro" certainly is the player, not the instrument.


That being said, I bought a PSR 3000 and decided I didn't want to use it for my professional work...gave it to my grandaughter.

It's all about what you like and what works for you.


Russ

Great! We all agree that it's the musician that makes it happen, but if your a pro, wouldn't you have the pride of wanting an instrument that fits a pro, with great sounds and feel. An arranger is not a bass guitar, in reference to the last qoute; it's a whole back up band. Saving money on an instrument if you're out making money is lack of professionalism and pride in your music. If it's for home use then even a Casio will keep you entertained.

Synth guy, on one level I agree with you. I got a RSR 3000 and decided, after I had time to work with it that it felt and sounded "toy like".

You prefer Korg...I prefer Ketron. But there are members on this forum who probably play better than either one of us who get the job done with a PSR 3000. There's no question, these folks are Pro's (UD, Gary and many others).

We all know marginal...even terrible players who use equipment to compensate for their lack of ability. Are they pro's? Maby pro entertainers, but not pro musicians.

My point is, looking like a "pro", with "pro" equipment does not a pro make!

Equipment is an important part of the formula, but not everything. I'm an equipment nut...probably, that's overkill.

What I do works for me, and I wish everyone on this forum success, however and with whatever you decide to do it.

Ho, Ho, Ho!

Russ

rebel,don,t forget to adjust the eq settings on the psr3000 again you will find this at www.psrtutorial.com, it will make more of a difference,mike

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I agree Capt Russ, equipment won't make you a better musician but if you're good and have good equipment then you really stand out above the rest.


Common person is use to seeing Casios everywhere, so they associate arrangers with toys right of way. I bet every yamaha arranger owner here has had someone at some point during a gig say " My son has one like this at home" or, "These are great, I was thinking of buying one to play around with", it's our fault that arrangers look like toys, because you keep buying these temporary models, the manufacture knows this so keeps putting out arrangers with cheap components, instead of something that is well made with great features and sounds that you can keep for awhile, upgradable and programable. Is it cheaper to keep spending 1200-1500 every year or spending 3500-4000 and getting an arranger that is top notch, one that you can keep for years to come. You tell me?

Synthguy, you make some good points, but here's another perspective. Because synth-arranger technology is continously IMPROVING at a lighting pace, it may make more sense to spend $1200-$1500 and get a keyboard which may perhaps not be as durable or the top of line most expensive model, yet INCLUDES the latest new sounds, styles, & features, and then be able to 'actually afford' UPGRADING (in 2-4 years) to the NEXT new arranger kb technology just around the bend. Perhaps when arranger keyboard technology reaches a 'longer lasting' plateau would be the better time to invest in something which will provide long term (over 5-10 years) satsifaction.

Scott

Scott, do you think it will get better than the Korg Pa 1x, Tyros, roland G70, what else can they do? Although I am not someone that uses arrangers, I like to read up on them lately and i think they have reached their max, ease of use may change but sound and options are at their peak.