Hello!
I need your opinions:the best arranger for dance-trance music is PA1x or T2¿¿¿
thanks

I can't speak for the Korg, but the T2 has some really nice Dance styles and the quantity is very good as well. Combined with very good pads and synth voices, I think the you could cover quite a few songs in this genere.


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Al Giordano
www.al-giordano.com

Tyros 2, Yamaha P-250, Korg Triton Extreme 76, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums

Im a young guy, only 22, I LOVE dance music and play ALOT at parties for people my age and older, and i find the Tyros 2 unbeleivable.

The factory styles are PERFECT as well as the multi pads. u just gotta spend time getting your sounds pre registered in the memory banks.

I HIGHLY reccomend tyros 2 for modern dance, trance music.!!

Please ask me any questions u may have about this.

cheers
Nick

I think trance and urban dance styles use a lot of sampling to get that 'fresh' quality, and having a large selection of contemporary drum sounds and loops is what makes that style kick.....

The T2's sampler is very basic, and there is little aftermarket support for it's closed format, whereas the PA1X reads Akai format, giving you access to a vast supply of cutting edge sounds and beats.......

But, what do we know?! Go and try both extensively, and make up your own mind. Just remember, unless you fall in love with the built-in techno sounds, you are going to sooner or later need to put new sounds into it.......

Tyros2 dance styles are the best.

Tyros2 supports both WAV and AIF formats.

Scott

Here's a T2 'Dance' video demo I found on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQsOHp15Te4

I'll have a dig around for a PA1X or Triton one as well while I'm at it.

I'm back - could only find three Pa1X videos on 'youtube', none of them was a dance video though. Still, if you dig around in Korg's own site, you should find something useful there.

I actually don't agree with most of the comments here. As a T2 owner, I think the styles are good, but they are not supported by good multi-pads which would be a must for good trance-dance.

Put it this way, the demo that was posted above from YouTube, is pretty much representative of what the T2 can do. If you're happy with that, then the T2 is for you.

Ironically, the old Yamaha PSR 8000, had much better dance and trance styles, and tonnes of good quality dance multi-pads! (I'm talking about the arrangements - obviously the T2 'sounds' are better). I used to do full dance sets using these styles, but with the Tyros, I don't have as many options.

I'm not sure why they didn't upgrade these into the Tyros.

Chony

I have seen all the videos on youtube of that dude playing the dance music.

he uses the 'disco teens' beat which is not the best style for dance music.

Ibiza 2002 and techno party are easily the better ones, even 'Chart R&B' is another good one once u mute the guitar channels.

to get your music to sound its best is to mute drum channels and the bass line consistently throughout your playing in realtime.

the techline multipads are aweosme, and dance/trance multipads are not hard to make your own anyways...

Nick

just to add to that,

Tyros 2 has a lot more variety for modern dance music than most people think.

the sounds and the styles are perfect fit for sooo many modern dance techno songs.

I pretty much bought the T2 just for the dance stuff and I am MORE than content with it.

It all depends on how creative you can be as well...

Although the T2 will import aif and wav, it does not import any multi-sample format, so to import a techno kit, for instance, or a good set of minimoog samples, whatever, you have to do a LOT of work to make your own keymaps, programming, etc.. Korg will import keymaps from Akai disks, amongst others, so a lot of the work is already done for you. That's what I mean by a closed system. It only reads T2 keymaps, no others.......

Wait til you try to program a good, multi-velocity drum kit by laboriously importing each and every wav, and prepare the keymap and velocity splits...... Talk about tedious!

Akai is the de facto standard for hardware samplers, and as such, any pro sampler should be able to import this format.......

I have found that the reason why most Tyros 2 owners are not so fussed about its sampling strength is becuase the factory sound quality of the drum kits and other sounds are SO GOOD - end of story!

Yeah, right..... keep telling yourself that. Doesn't it burn you, though, to have paid for a feature that is, essentially, crippled?

No arguments about the sound quality of the internals, though. But there's always room for more......

Just keep asking Yamaha for Akai format reading..... Who knows? Enough of you ask, and Yamaha might add it (or get Chickensys to write a computer converter)....!

I think it could be much better with some real-time control knobs for the filters, for this type of music anyway.

Thanks to all for opinions.Maybe i have to wait for the new PA800...i do not know.
As i saw,T2 need time and experience to import sounds and multipads...i have not its.
I want to play some dance-trance styles and sounds like ATB,Paul van Dyk etc;too..i want to play some Jean Michel Jarre,Vangelis Enigma styles.
WITH THE AMABILITY OF TWO MEMBERS OF SZ(BTW,THANKS A LOT TO YOU)I HAVE SOME GOOD J.M.Jarre and Vangelis styles in Yamaha format converted from Korg.On Korg format sounds very very close.I do not know if in Yamaha format sounds too...o better..hihi.
If anybody wants it please write me(are free,of course):dani_76_es@yahoo.es
Nick,check your e.mail,please.
greetings from Madrid(España)

Nah it doesnt burn me, neither does it burn other T2 owners. if we wanted a proper sampler then we would have bought a synth... cheers mate

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So now we're back to the 'my keyboard, right or wrong' stuff that got the whole flame-wars started in the first place?

It pisses me off that the OTS section on the G70 is crippled (although a new OS might soon fix it), I'm livid that the reverb send on the B3 section of the G70 is pre-Leslie. There are always areas that a keyboard can be improved. But I'm not going to change it, because what it does do is perfect for me. For now......

But that doesn't mean I can't criticize it, and if you can't bring yourself to admit that an aspect of YOUR current favorite keyboard needs improvement, what does that say about your objectivity?

These things are tools, NOT our children!


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Sorry, double post

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....and even those little angels could use SOME improvement .

chas

Hi Dani,
did the conversions actually end up sounding ok?
Not sure whether we're talking about the same styles
equinox, vangelis etc ( about 5 of them)
At the time I didn't have a psr to test to see if they worked or not.

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dani_76_es:
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I HAVE SOME GOOD J.M.Jarre and Vangelis styles in Yamaha format converted from Korg.

Dani,

the styles did not work.

it says "data not loaded correctly"

2 things i remember now. 80's dance which was on T1 is not on T2. Heck that style alone made my friends birthday song so popular it was requested on radio more than any other song. I cant believe they didnt include it on T2. The style Saturday Night is fantastic on T1 but completely different on T2 and not as good. I love all the ibiza styles 2002 2003 etc.. But 2002 is still the best. I like french house on the T2 as well.

hello Rikki
...yes..we are talking about the same styles(equinox,vangelis)..are 5 styles.
As said Nick G its are not work on Tyros2.it say:"DATA NOT LOADED CORRECTLY".WHY?¿?¿?¿Maybe Nick G is doing something incorect.
Rikki lease sent me the J.M.Jarre and Vangelis styles in Yamaha format.If you have some mp3 demo please sent it me...or..better ..put here on this topic.Here are some members who really want to hear its.

Daniel