the dedicated row of buttons on the GW7 and Exr7 that
said bass-drum/combo/full were dropped for the E50/60.
seems like that was a great idea that was dropped in favor
of other buttons which are a lot less useful.

the d-beam functions that used to be primarily for user controls that are now mostly for silly sounds.

the global options on most kb's that used to control a whole lot more parameters than they do now. fine for those that will program every song/style/parameter to the last detail and call up the same ones all the time..not fine
for those that would like a global reverb, mix, etc..and just override it when they want to.

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Miami Mo

Yeah, Mo, I've posted to Roland about those missing BsDrm/Combo/Full buttons. Even a soft-set on the mixer page would be good.

But there IS one problem.... Except for official Roland styles, you would have to edit that information into EVERY style you imported, including some older Roland styles, and DEFINITELY every third party style. Or else, how does the arranger know what part is on what track?

Oh yes, there is supposed to be a sort of Roland 'standard', but few other than Roland adhere to it. So be prepared for a LOT of work if you have an extensive style library......

BTW, they've had the 'Dynamic Arranger' feature on Roland's for donkey's years. Probably most others, too....

You can also use it to the extreme (on Roland's, anyway), by completely muting some parts at lower velocities, and others at high, for a sort of velocity cross-switch on the internal Parts. Sometimes it's better that the guitarist start double-timing it, or swinging harder at higher velocities, rather than just playing a bit louder..... Now if only Roland would give us more than one Drum Part....

Also, Mo, have you found the D-Beam control for ACC Off? That's what i tend to use it for, mostly. Leaves B&D running, and mutes ALL ACC. Would be nice to have the Combo choice, too, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad (at least according to Meatloaf!)

Your other choice is to write three UPGs next to each other, with the Arranger Parts muted for the B&D and Combo sections, and HOLD Style and KBD Mode (tempo will hold if Auto is on). This will do the same thing. Although there are some missing buttons for different features, as you can see from this thread, everyone has their own different thing they miss, and modern arrangers have SO many parameters, it is impossible to find panel space for them ALL....

But Roland's OS is so flexible, you can usually find another way of doing anything if you just are prepared to think 'outside the box' and get away from the way you USED to do things. The Set List, combined with Hold parameters is exceptionally powerful, and if you are OK with being forced into Left Zone chord recognition every time, the OTS and its' hold section can also do a lot of muting work, amongst other things.

Keep at it, I'm sure you'll find a way!

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There is a setting on the PSR3000 that few owners are aware of. The Style can set to respond to your velocity playing which increases the volume of the accompaniment.

Function \ Style Setting & Split Point \ Style Touch.

Graham,

You're probably aware, but I'd like to add that the Tyros1/2 have style touch as well...it is a great feature.

It was also on the PSR-2000.

Ian

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Cha d’dhùin doras nach d’fhosgail doras.

Being able to add the style groove function to the styles in real time. As far as I know, the PSR740 ( maybe the 9000 too ? ) was the last board that had this feature. Starting with the 2k, we now have to enter the style edit menu in order to do this. It was a lot cooler when I could do it in real time on the 740 as I was playing the style.

AJ

I like the chord sequencer idea too. Very nice function that I have with the MZ2000.

AJ

yep, that's the one I use, acc off. was using it for bass off but found the bass lines pretty good mostly, so when i do want to pump my own bass, just turn off acc w/button or balance knob, maybe use the bass/ride sound for a little more swing to it.

good suggestions re finding alternate pathways. the HOLD button is something I'm finding very useful as i learn the ropes, and your additonal suggestions are giving me ideas. here's how I'm alternate-pathing the foot control:
i use the expression pedal as a stop/start by jerking it
all the way up. I leave the rh lead at 3/4 volume so I can
still play notes w/pedal up. I can use it for fade-out, too, but finding it very tricky for that and even for expression
because it requires perfect programming plus extremely sensitive action with foot. hoping this is a fine skill i can
develop..so far i haven't got the hang of very slow even
uptake on the pedal, and stopping the uptake at just the right point. but, hey, it's better than just having a switch
pedal set to start/stop and only that. also finding just
fading with the left hand on volume knob is better than
having to move to fade-out on the d-beam menu.

There's a few things from Fran's E600 I didn't know Roland had dropped (or even had!).

Primarily, the Sequencer and Arranger synced together, and you could play both at the same time (mute the SMF drums and use the arranger's, for instance)... This is one of my most important requests (after the Chord Sequencer). I can't believe Rolands USED to be able to do this and dropped it

Besides two variations for styles..each variation has 4 selectable style orchestration buttons (to mute parts in certain variations?)

4 programmable phrase buttons (were these like multi-pads?)

Dedicated piano , with adjustable open/close and stretch tune (stretch tuning? Where's that on the G70/E80??)

Damper, sostenuto, and soft pedal jacks (now damper only, and the rest to the limited FC-7 choices)

Jeez.... Is there someone at Roland going 'This is a GREAT feature! We need to drop it ASAP '

Morons....

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http://media.rolandus.com/manuals/E-600_OM.pdf


Read and weep..

The question should be WHY did these manufacturers DROP these features?

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