Calm down ...... it's not what you think.

I decided last night, during the wedding I played for Fran's daughter Candie, that I am going to make an all out commitment to this psr3k.

I know it's shortcomings, I know it's strengths, and I know that NO one is making what I really want anytime soon, so I'm biting the bullit and bedding down with this puppy for a while. ( Would that be a ONE dog night?? )

What does this mean? Well, for starters, I will customize it, add personal styles, registrations etc. All things I rarely do because I switch kbs so often.
I will also be in the active market for a backup for my studio. I want to trade this G1000 for another 3k - anyone ???? I like working on stuff after work, but I hate to unload the car.

I am in the process of organizing, measuring and storing the wires for ez access and quick(er) setup. As soon as I finish ..... I'll post the pics of my new bride for all to see.

Yesterday - I set up outside to play the wedding ceremony ( psr speakers alone ).

Then I came in and set the 3k on top of a grand piano and played the cocktail hr on it ( 3k speakers alone again )

I had the Bose all set to go in the ball room, so after coctails - I set the 3k on the stand - plugged into the Bose and did the dinner/dance portion of the show.

I was about 50/50 live vs DJ at this wedding, which is typical when the bride and groom are under 30, and the 3k sounded wonderful at it's task. My setup for the rest of this year ( at least ) will now be:

psr3k (sequences play internally)
sony vaio (for MP3s, mostly)
Bose PAS (2 woofers)

Simple, effective, portable, versatile, and sonically AMAZING.

Pics will be along shortly.

BTW - it all packs up behind the rear seat in my Windstar and leaves seating for SEVEN. That's worth alot to me !


[This message has been edited by Uncle Dave (edited 09-25-2004).]

Good luck Dave ......
It sounds wonderfull, the 3k is definilty a keeper for "this thing of ours"
I love mine myself...lets buy 2 more asap

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-25-2004).]

I'm a proud papa!

Dave,

I thought for sure you would have married a Redhead, rather then a Silver Queen.

Larry Hawk

I'm pretty new here but I know if Uncle Dave has that much faith in the 3000 I finally did something right when I bought mine last week. But I can't bear to part with my psr 2k, they are selling so cheap I think I should keep it, for awhile anyway. I look forward to hearing of your exploits. What kind of case do you use for the keyboard and is it interchangeable.
Will you be posting some of your styles, I've already learned so much listening to your examples on your website.
Can I ask what harmonizer you used on Nightengale? Was it chordal mode or vocoder mode?

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[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 09-25-2004).]

Still searching for my redhead, but the silver queen will serve as a diversion in the meantime!(Like 10cc said: I'm not in love, so just forget it)

The harmonizer on "Nightengale" is the Digitech VR, played in chordal mode from my right hand. Left hand played manual bass and the drums were from the 9kpro.

I really miss being able to use that chordal mode on the 3k. Yamaha doesn't allow the use of chordal mode from the right hand - only vocoder. Boo, Hiss, Sneer ......(C'mon - make it better !)

So, it's true I'm married to the 3k, but hey - I've been married before. Nothing is forever. Except maybe, Herpes.....

[This message has been edited by Uncle Dave (edited 09-26-2004).]

Uncle Dave, why don't you get a harem and marry the PA1xpro too, your children will be very happy if you make styles etc. for them too.

Naw .... the PA1x is one of my "X"s.
Maybe a good mate for the 3k is a ....... hmmmmmm, lemme think about that one.
Maybe a Motif?

UD. You need to be looking forward to trying the new Roland G70 when it is available. You can then divorce the 3k.Ha!!!!

Uncle Dave, I'm sorry if you have addressed this question earlier, I did try to search the database .........

Why would you prefer the PSR3k to a Tyros?

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Graham

Speakers

Speakers

The new Roland has NO shot at a home here.
I'm married now.

Hi Uncle Dave,

I'm considering buying a 3000 as well - just bc of its size. But before I do: Is there ANY difference in sound quality? Would there be any difficulties in using it for live performance?

Hi chony

I see you have a Tyros? So do I. There is a difference in sound.

I would suggest to try one out first, either locally or online where you have 30-45 days to try it out. Then you'll know if it is right for you.


Scott






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Scott,
How can you describe the difference in sound between the Ty and the 3k?
I never had them side by side, but to my ear ... I think they sound the same.
'splain it to us please !!!!!

Scott.

Today I have a Tyros side by side with my 3000.
I think that voices are the same and 3000 sounds better than Tyros with original speakers .

Chico

Uncle Dave,

Appart from having on-board speakers (what about speakers that can be attached on board but will blend with the surface and not stand out?) what are some of the other qualities you are looking for in a keyboard (that no manufacturer has developed in one package) that will perfectly come close to suiting your needs? Please list most here in point form and explain further where needed. Again remember, this should be your one and only board!!

Thanks,

AJ

I am not UD but I will try to make his job easier.

It is basically a Yamaha PSR2000 (all the layouts the same but with the improved sounds of PSR3000/Tyros) AND with better keybed like the KORG PA80, CASIO WK3000 instead of the mushy keys of PSR2000. And an internal HD.

THAT I think will make the man a happy performer. Right UD ?

Yamaha removed the vocal harmonizer, mic settings dsp variation and talk button (big mistake). That reduced the flexability of the keyboard. Although they improved the feel of the keys, I assume the size of the keys are still an issue (smaller then the norm). Still not perfect.
The company I work for ordered in chinese food for us for lunch. That was nice. My fortune cookie said, "You have yearning for perfection". Since I can't purchase a PSR3K at this time, maybe I'll wait till they put the buttons back on, in the next update. Yamaha gives, then takes away, then gives back, then takes away.
Starkeeper

[This message has been edited by Starkeeper (edited 09-27-2004).]

AJ,
Your boys came close with the X1, but they skimped on the polyphony area. The notes would run out and the harmonizer would need to be retriggered.

Heres my demands:
1)speakers - not add on in any way-BUILT in
2)Yamaha style EQ and effects mixer
3)Digitech/TC style harmonizer(chordal mode from EITHER hand)
4)under 40lbs.....under 30 is better still
5)small footprint - 61 keys max
6)weighted, solid keys and FULL size.
7)seq and arr modes accessable at the same time. Yamaha has this now.
8)USB in and out and mass storage of some sort on board
9)GM sound map for panel voices
10)multi tasking during performance
11)stereo aux ins for audio player
12)logical button layout, ample footswith jacks
13)multipads like Yamahas(phrases)
14)BLACK housing - no more silver please
15)no glitches when switching parts on/off or turning arranger on/off during playback

** In short(?)this dream unit needs to be more of the SIMPLER features that we've grown up with over the years.
I need reliable drum patterns, solid LH bass sounds, arrangers that can be locked into the SAME drum and bass tones . Fill ins that sound like the same drummer played them. Normal, tight, unflashy, digital rhythm players that allow for self expression from the live artist playing along.

To makle it even simpler:

Keys and harmonizer from PA1x
Size, weight and layout from PSR3k
Power and speakers from kn6500
EQ, effects and rhythms from Yamaha series
Sounds from all the top of the lines
Pricing from Casio
Reliability foprm Roland
*** and the biggie:
Tech support from PRINCE AJ @ Ketron !

Now, stop reading, and go BUILD this beast!!!! I don't care what it costs if it really works !

PORTABLE, POWERFUL, and BEAUTIFUL!
(software need not apply)

Dave I'll give you $1000 if you let me play for your reception. OK?
Your favorite Redskin Saints and Packards fan,Boo

I didn't know you likes those old "Packard" cars! No wedding date set yet ..... I'm still gun shy!

I hate to disappoint you Dave but I believe the reason manufacturers are making more and more Keyboards 'Silver' is because they reflect heat better. Black or darker colors in general tend to 'absorb' heat (from an external source) more. Black or darker colors also tend to 'retain' heat more and to a 'greater' magnitude than Silver or lighter colors do.

And with Processors and other electronic Chips, etc. getting stronger and more powerful, that is only more reason for manufacturers to make Keyboard housings Silver or other heat 'reflective' and 'dissipating' friendly colors. >> To stave off the "HEAT" and keep Keyboards cooler internally.

I am happy to report that my Tyros is 'Silver' on the top part of the housing where direct sunlight or other heat sources would tend to reflect better, thus keeping the Tyros from getting overly hot and stay 'cooler' internally. Also, I am happy to announce that the Tyros has air 'vents' around the top part of the housing around the back of it to allow heat that builds up internally to 'escape'.

Not so unfortunately with the majority of Keyboards Silver OR Black.

You may want Black UD but in actuality you 'need' Silver or some other heat reflective and heat dissipating color so your Axe will last longer for one thing.......... Uh..., forget what I said UD. The length of time you keep a Board makes my statements irrevalent to your situation anyways.

Best regards,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 09-27-2004).]

Then why is the new Triton Extreme "DARK BLUE"?
Hmmmmm I love BLACK KB's





[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-27-2004).]

Now, stop reading, and go BUILD this beast!!!! I don't care what it costs if it really works !

Make blank check payable to......

Gary

C O D
If you build it .... I will come(or pay)

Black is a no no?

Let's see ..I have a 14 year old D-70[real black].
A 6 year old G1000[real black].

And a 3 year old VA-7[real black]...presently..

In the past I have had hundreds of black keyboards and modules...none were ever affected by the absorbed heat..



[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 09-28-2004).]

What fran said, only with Yammies! Hmmmmmm!

Now heres the problem, AJ, I don't agree with Daves wants and needs, but I also have a pocket full of cash. Here are my Demands:

1. I don't need no stinkin' speakers. If I want em, I'll buy specialized ones.
2. I already have this in the Tyros
3. Tyros harmonizer works fine for me, but if the TC is better - OK.
4. Under 40 lbs with weighted keys? Besides I want 76 of the buggers, so I don't think this is possible.
5. See # 4
6. I'm agreeing with Dave on this one.
7. Tyros already has this.
8. I have USB mass storage mode on the Tyros and it work Fabulous da'ling!
9. Tyros has this.
10. I agree -- I want my keyboard to order me a beer so that it's ready for break time!
11. Tyros has this doesn't it? Inserts?
12. Got it in the Tyros.
13. Tyros signature feature.
14. Black is very hard to see on stage, just give me a Silver that won't scratch.
15. This isn't a problem for me with the Tyros.

I count 11 out of 15 wants and needs in the Tyros which I already have. Now, can't they come out with a Tyros II with the rest of the missing parts?

I prefer black or dark also, but I did have a problem one time at an outdoor gig in full sunlight. I was playing a Korg T3 synth (black), and by the middle of the first set, some of the plastic panels on top were warping from the heat. The synth never quit, but at the break I jury rigged a tarp to provide some shade.

Rant on >>>>
Why would anyone hire a band to play at their house party on a summer day (90 degrees) and expect them to set up in direct sunlight, in the middle of the yard (no electric), and directly on the grass (no stage, no plywood)? These people spent way too much time makin jello shooters. <<<

acctjm

[This message has been edited by acctjm (edited 09-28-2004).]

UD,

I have started evaluating some of your points for feasability soon. Now, with the 61 weighted keys (fully weighted like Piano style, not semi weighted) and a good set of speakers like say at least 30W/channel (not those found in small boom boxes), your weight limitation of 30-40lbs seems hard to meet at this time.

Let me review the other points .... and see.

Thanks,

AJ

AJ,
Very few of us want weighted keys. They are fine for playing piano, but not for emulating instruments on a keyboard.
Thanks,
DonM

what most of us need is semi weighted keys like dgx 305 from yamaha.you can't sell a board with real fully weighted piano keys which are only 61and 22w output per side like pa 80 will be fine.I hope you can do that under 40 lbs.

my addidtions will be
also- keys (L and R )sides should be well protected from accidental damage.

at least 1 on board real time controller (slider like korg PA or ribbon)

1 sustain input+ 2 FS inputs

(breath controllet input -ha ha I think I'm wanting too much)

no big ugly model logo on rear,just the company name with decent moderate sized latters which look like their old hit models(ketron /yamaha etc)

well cut body with no wasted areas(eg like new roland exr series)

4 outs(sending click track to a live drummer is more and more becoming a major issue)

headphone out on your L hand side

1 mic and 1 instrument ins(both your vocal and acoustic guitar must be able to use simu internal efx)

76 keys is fine as long as it's light(why yam is making dgx for 12kg only?)

wheel or joystick is a hot issue so let's hear it guys.I 'm suremost mid east players will vote foe joy stick.what do you guys want.

price- 1500-1700$ max

When UD says weighted keys I think he is referring to keys as per PAX1.9000Pro. VA76. SD1 type. Good quality with a responsive feel.

[This message has been edited by Graham UK (edited 09-29-2004).]

Yes !!!!! I don't want piano style keys either. I want weighted, SNYTH keys.
Good, solid, hard plastic with weights underneath for stability. Like the ones on the PA1x or SD1.

Back to work AJ ! Keep it up, my friend !

AJ....
LESS Menus, & pages to look through.....
More dedicated one touch buttons to navagate.
Adjustable Sliders.....
MULTI TASK search features between modes
ON THE FLY SEQ/SMF & STYLE EDITS/SAVE
Seperate Mic Vol knob onboard
20 favorite sound Buttons on board

I'll think of more

Donny,
the last few we've had all have a dedicated volume knob for the mic! The 3k has 2 !

Dave..You mean a REAR Gain Pod and a Screen Mic Vol ROCKER Button....
What I mean is a "KNOB" like on the 9k/Tyros on DECK

C'mon ..... that front panel rocker works as good as any knob can, and how often do you change the mic volume anyway?
The gain knob on the back SHOULD be hidden, because it's not intended for on the spot changes. You set it and forget it. Ooops sorry ..... fagettabouttit!

Hmmmmmmm....Imo a "Knob" or "Sliders" is more user friendly in real time not only for Mic Vol but for all Important adjustments while you play, comon Yamaha get some sliders!!
....I'm a KB Navation Freak or maybe its a personal preference?



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-30-2004).]

Also, a knob/slider is a visual control..you can see where the setting is set..

Good points Fran......

Dave...I think you meant "Forgeddabouttit" [Brooklyn sp]

Silly boize .... a quick glance at the screen tells you EXACTLY what volume setting is at! Much more presise than guessing at a knob placement.
You know I love ya, but you're really missing the boat on this one.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by keybplayer:
[B] I hate to disappoint you Dave but I believe the reason manufacturers are making more and more Keyboards 'Silver' is because they reflect heat better. Black or darker colors in general tend to 'absorb' heat (from an external source) more. Black or darker colors also tend to 'retain' heat more and to a 'greater' magnitude than Silver or lighter colors do.

And with Processors and other electronic Chips, etc. getting stronger and more powerful, that is only more reason for manufacturers to make Keyboard housings Silver or other heat 'reflective' and 'dissipating' friendly colors. >> To stave off the "HEAT" and keep Keyboards cooler internally. [B]


Probably not the real reason.

Dell and Gateway computers with the new pocessors and chips have all gone to black computers.

Jerry

youse NJ guyz don' know nuttin ....

fuggeddabowddit !!!!!
t.

Aw .... ya mudda !

Interesting observation Jerry. Although they're not ALL black as we know. But the main difference in Computers that are black over an electronic Keyboard is that usually you don't find Computers hooked up outside in direct sunlight with upper double or even triple digit temperatures (in °F), as you would many times when and if you gig with a Keyboard. Plus Computers have "Fans" inside them to help keep them cool. Plus also there are "Vents" in the Back where the hot air is 'forced' out by the Fans and you usually find Fans in the front of the Computer also, to draw cooler air in (found at the base of computers where the air is generally cooler because of being lower to the ground - cool air drops whilst hot air rises as we all know or should know . That's why Fans on the 'back' of Computers are usually at or near the top of the computer in the rear so the hot air (which rises) can be 'forced' out by the 'Fans'.

Even so, there are 'more' fans than just the case and power supply Fans. There are Fan[s] for the "CPU", and even sometimes for the Hard Drive itself. The Computers 'case' oftentimes has vents on the side where air can flow into and circulate around the computer's case and its interior. And you just don't find that most of the time in Keyboards unfortunately. And Fans are usually unheard of in Keyboards so there is a significant difference we're talking about here.

Plus again you usually find computers at an office or in a home where there is usually moderate temperatures and oftentimes it's 'air conditioned' to boot.

Keyboards are exposed to much greater heat risks because they lack not only the air flow and direct cooling methods of computers but they are also exposed to greater temperature extremes (gigging in direct sunlight oftentimes at extreme temperatures comes to mind) and many times Keyboards lack the things necessary to keep them cool such as fans and vents and "heat reflective" composite materials that work along the same principle; i.e. "light" colored composites that are heat reflective and also dissipate heat better and faster than darker colored composites do, as darker colors [composites] tend to "absorb" heat to a greater magnitude (degree) and not only that but they tend to retain the heat longer.

With Processors getting faster and more powerful (and more power hungry) along with other internal devices in Keyboards such as transformers, power supplies, and transistors which btw are increasing exponentially in high tech electronics as technology advances and increases.

Think "Moores Law" which has generally held true up to the present: "that the number of transistors on a chip would double every 18 months". Along with more transistors, which makes for more powerful processors plus other power hungry parts I spoke of earlier, comes the greater heat which they emanate and results in an ever increasing risk to the stability and longevity of not only Keyboards in general, but also in their functionality as a whole; over an extended period of time without giving up the ghost.

Best regards,
Mike

PS: All in favor of greater longevity in Keyboards say Aye!!...... >> But alas, we hear UD and Fran in the background shout NAY!!

Dave because he changes Keyboards more often than he does his socks it seems; so he could care less. And Fran, because he's soooooo enamored with his G1000: which is black.

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