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#120890 - 09/13/07 07:34 AM
KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 09/21/00
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When I played the Pa800 last week at Uncle Dave's Studio I knew I had to have one ........ Im having a ball with the Pa800 so far..... when I read the specs months ago I said to myself this KB has everything Im interested in, but could all these great features be included in One unit? Well now that I have one I can honestly say WOW it certainly fills my needs and so much more in a small package. It shipped with OS ver 1.50 & it was no problem to install the newer OS ver 1.51 which fixed a few things. One of my big wish list things with my Yamaha's was the ability to save Transpose using the Music Finder on all my Yamaha kbs..........being it couldn't do that I NEVER ever used it....forcing a player to use registrations only which is OK but for live navigation its a bit lacking ......now with the Korg Pa800 Powerful "Songbook Feature" which Does save Transpose which is very useful for matching songs to other singers etc, etc, ....plus it retains ALL Parameters which is the way it should be! ....I realized that just maybe the Pa800 could be my dream arranger KB..... Styles and Sounds are really amazing sonically, dual SMF player certainly a big plus as is the Dual 2.0 USB & optional Mp3 recorder/player & HD, which I will get soon also. All the on-board navigational features are in the right place and Well thought out for live play on stage which is so important to me.....eg: 4 STS, 4 Real Time Pads, the FILLS I can honestly say have been addressed since the pa80 days & are definitly NO problem on the Pa800, Touch screen response is fast and intuitive or you can use buttons/slider also many that are assignable another plus. The Speakers are the best sounding I have heard on any arranger great bass, robust, loud and clear......when I sang thru the Tc Helicon Vocal harmonizer I knew right away I'm in heaven......these are some of my thoughts in the last 24 hrs since it arrived.....I have much to do in between gigs but I will have more experiences with this wonderful instrument asap. I want to thank ALL the people on the Korg Forums especially Tommy F for their help in getting me started with some initial setup questions.....As an old KORG player who used to gig in the early 80s with an early model Korg "PERSONAL" Arranger model thru the i3, i30, Pa80/60 Im glad to be back. More to come....... Play Music Every Day! PS: as a side note .....I want to thank SZ member Frankeve at AUDIOWORKS http://www.audioworksct.com/ for being one of the best Honest Dealers I have ever done business with GREAT PRICES, SUPER SERVICE, SUPER FAST SHIPPING, SUPER NICE GUY, I highly recommend that if you need any gear give Frank a call ASAP he'll take good care of you for sure!!! [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-13-2007).]
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#120914 - 09/13/07 03:25 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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#120922 - 09/13/07 07:03 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Back to positive remarks..I think the MP3 [dual/player] option on the Korg is a BIG plus.. There are a couple things that don't measure up to my needs[compared to my G70]..but the MP3 option would be a great feature to me..{Roland fans..be patient..the MP3/wav player is coming with the next G[?] arranger].. Hey maybe it's just me, but gushing over the fact that a nearly 3000.00 keyboard has a MP3 player simply strains ones credibility as an evaluator of new keyboard technology. I can buy a MP3 player at Walmart for 19.95 (and get a corn dog and a NASCAR update on the side). I try not to knock it, but as a musician, I still have a hard time with the concept of standing in front of a crowd playing an MP3 recording. That would imply that the crowd just came to hear your singing and from what I've heard, that ain't much incentive for showing up. In the first place, the PA800 is essentially a scaled down PA1x (with a scant few, largely negligible, updates). This board has been around in at least one of it's iterations for at least 3-4 years, so it's hardly a new board that's never been evaluated before. Before it's recent "emergence", it received hardly a blip on this board. Does that mean that it's value is strictly a function of which revered member suddenly "discovered" it and proclaimed it the latest, greatest? If you're one of the ones who can't wait for Roland to roll out a new $4500.00 arranger keyboard because it MIGHT have a MP3 player, then I say, get out of the music business and go get a job at Circuit City or Best Buy. chas
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#120933 - 09/14/07 07:45 AM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally posted by miden: hi donny, congrats on the new board, can you highlight the pros and cons between the pa800, and the sd1+? i have my own views, as i owned a PA800, but i am interested in what you think...there is a possibility that when the PA2x is released in OZ i will be seriously looking at it, and for the most part i have heard the PA2 will be the PA800, but with that beautiful 76 note keyboard and a few other things... cheers, and thanks, dennis Hi Dennis, Ignoring all the stupid bullshit posted previously under my initial listing I will try to answer your questions. AS you know the Sd1+ is a fine arranger with IMHO some of the finest sounds available. Quality build & really nice key bed.....but you really have to know its OS which is very different then any other KB on the market. Its primitive looking compared to all the bells & whistles, colored Icons etc etc but highly functional in its mono-color basic look. Its really a serious arranger with many kool features & also many I longed for too.....like STS & Multi pads to beef up your performance & get more creative....the ancient Floppy drive is very usable but indeed stone-age compared to what we have now with 2.0 USB/Firewire etc. To me the SD1 is a RAW sounding arranger with a very LIVE in your face sound to it sought of UNGATED with sound & styles WIDE OPEN & must be tamed with editing & tweaking very intensely giving the player no leeway, but once controlled can give you a very nice playing environment "If you know what to do" for a 76 its design is the smallest Ive seen.....having the joysticks up on the deck is a hindrance & out of the immediate playing field which I didn't like at all. Compared to the Pa800 & T2 its it no where as flexible in many ways style wise or sound wise.....not that the the SD1+ is bad its just very different. The Pa800 & T2 have a polished CD like compressed sound the Yamaha even more then the Korg. Ive only had the Korg 2 days so far ....but I can tell the improvements over my old Pa80 are very pleasing and very VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT for the player even more so then the Sd1+ & T2 in so many ways. Starting with being able to use the SONGBOOK which is so much more then the Yamaha MFD which doesn't allow saving Transpose, & you can also save in one CUSTOME list SMF, Mp3, Kar, this is by far the most powerful feature I have ever seen on an arranger for live performance playing. The Pa800 Key-bed & feel to me is more comparable to the Tyros 2 then the Sd1+/G70 a bit lighter but sturdy and tight. The Pa800 display & touch screen is a pleasure to manipulate ....plus you have the all the well layed out on-board buttons to navigation as well.....& many ASSIGNABLE sliders/buttons to setup and really make the KB YOUR OWN. The Tc Helicon Vocalizer is second to none ...only the Roland G70/D5 is comparable on an on-Board harmonizer...having Expert view & an EASY View with just the essentials to see on screen is a nice feature also as is the DUAL SMF player with mixing SLIDER to go between 2 songs at once ....this could be very useful. The new styles are very inspiring Im still exploring them all but of what Ive played there are so many that are useful for me & having 3 intro/ending is a plus especially #2 which lets YOU the player create the chords, something like the G70 has also...I was concerned about the sounds coming from some of the awesome ones on the SD1+ like the trumpets & Brass but I have to tell you I was pleasantly surprised with the PA800....the way they have the STS setup which by the wya are ALL Programable as is Everthing on the PA800 are very pleasing, usefull & well thought out and on Par with anything on the Tyros2 excluding SA, but not needed if you play some of the great V sounds on the Korg for example the Rock Organ V is wonderful....if you play lightly you get no Leslie effect, but if you put more pressure the leslie kicks in very kool! ....sonically the Pa800 sounds amazing out of the box with OS1.51 installed...so far Im happy and as I said I need more time to make a better assessment but Dennis I will return with more info on my progress asap OK? have a nice day Donny [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-14-2007).]
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#120935 - 09/14/07 09:37 AM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Originally posted by Nick G:
Fran and Donny: you add in smart ass or perky remarks where ever possible and you can never be beaten down in a conversation / argument cos you are stubborn and thrive for attention... the second someone gives back to you what you constantly dish out everyday you go all defensive and innocent... it truly displays a pathetic attitude and lack of maturity and social skills towards other humans.wake up to yourselves the world of keyboards and arrangers does NOT revolve around you and neither does the forum (although it unfortunately seems that way when your presence is active)... Nick Nick, very well said. I would like to add, that in addition to what you said above, Donny Pesce's constant & continuing habit of posting something, and then 5-50 minutes later editing it to COMPLETELY ALTER both "meaning & intent", or often later completely deleting his posts (including initial thread posts), I see as an attempt to HIDE what he ACTUALLY said before the moderator views it. This I find totally unacceptable,, especially after people have taken thoughtful time to reply, and then discover what they were replying to suddenly missing. Thank goodness, for the SZ 'quote' feature to preserve what DNJ 'actually' said. Scott
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#120936 - 09/14/07 02:02 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
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Hi Donny, Thank you for your thoughts on the Pa800. I would expect that the key-bed is the same as they use on there X3 ? Hammond B3 copy. If so that is a good thing , as I have played that and was very pleased with the key feel. You talked about the sound quality and compared it to CD sound rather than raw instrument sound , that also I think is a good thing. Being and old Organ "grinder" how are the Organ sounds? I know it has draw bars and you can vary the roto speed by using the mod. stick. Plastic screen , are you concerned about scratching after a period of time or is made of really good scratch resistance plastic ? Anyway , have fun with your new board and best of luck to `ya !!  Looking forward to more reviews and info as you get more familiar with your new A-KB. Later Gary [This message has been edited by jedi (edited 09-14-2007).]
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#120937 - 09/14/07 02:16 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Originally posted by jedi: Hi Donny, Thank you for your thoughts on the Pa800. I would expect that the key-bed is the same as they use on there X3 ? Hammond B3 copy. If so that is a good thing , as I have played that and was very pleased with the key feel. You talked about the sound quality and compared it to CD sound rather than raw instrument sound , that also I think is a good thing. Being and old Organ "grinder" how are the Organ sounds? The Pa800 organs are very nice with many different styles covered, plus the virtual digital drawbars are so easy to use on the screen with all the switches, speed, perc, etc etc ..I know it has draw bars and you can vary the roto speed by using the mod. stick. Plastic screen , are you concerned about scratching after a period of time or is made of really good scratch resistance plastic ? the screen is good, fast, attentive & accurate.....the face is firm and doesn't give when pressed in normal use . Anyway , have fun with your new board and best of luck to `ya !!  Looking forward to more reviews and info as you get more familiar with your new A-KB. Later Gary thanx I'll know more in time Gary [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-14-2007).]
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#120941 - 09/14/07 06:07 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14358
Loc: NW Florida
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Gary, if key feel is a priority, Roland's are probably your best bet (although many, including myself, can get by pretty well with the T2's keys too, in a pinch), but you want the ne plus ultra of arranger key-beds...?
G70, hands down.
Unless you ONLY want 88 piano-touch, which I find restrictive for organ and other sounds (except piano, actually!), there isn't a better key-bed out there. Unless, of course, you PREFER lightweight, spongy, no feel keys. In which case a PSR is ideal...
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#120944 - 09/14/07 07:39 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
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Hi Guy`s , Donny , thanks for the info about the screen , big help !!  Also: B&W keys , not for me , great if your a piano player , but for mostly organ a good synth action is for me. That brings me to the best key-bed ( aside from a real Hammond ) that I have tried is the Yamaha Motif XS. To me that is the way ALL keyboards should feel, Firm , but not weighted , tight , strong and smooth. Like I said I have also had a chance to play Korg`s version of the old B3 , X3 and there new M3 synth , and although there is a slight advantage to the Motif , the key feel was very close. So , if the Pa800 shares the same key-bed as the X3 , then I would be happy with it. 61 keys is fine with me , don`t need 76 ( although nice ) . I use the first 2 oct`s for the lower and the other 3 for lead , so it works out perfect, Have had many 61 KB`s over the years and never had the need for more keys. But key feel is the main issue for me. The PSR`s just don`t feel right, The new S900 sounds great , but the rubber buttons and "marshmallow" key feel , left me wondering why, I still haven`t had a chance to play a Tyros , but I do know that the new Motif`s and the T2 have the same key-bed. Anyway , thanks a ton for all your help , it`s great to know about the screen , being plastic I was afraid it was going to be a weak part , go to knwo that won`t be the case. I`m still going to take awhile , I won`t to buy the best I can and I still have my Hammond to hold me over. I have always enjoyed playing arranger KB`s , this is wierd . but so far out of the many that I have owned the PSR-510 had the best styles !! Thank again guy`s  Take care, later, Gary
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#120947 - 09/14/07 10:46 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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I love my PA800. Here's why:
My voice sounds better in this speaker system than any self contained unit to date.
The lead sounds, esp Cornet, Tenor sax and Rhodes piano are blowing me away. I have yet to get a clarinet on a yamaha that I like. The Ketron was the closest to this Korg in woodwinds. ** speaking of woodwinds - Korg seems to "beef up" the sounds that might be quieter in a real acoustical envirnment, like flutes, so that when you switch to a flute from a sax, it's not a big drop in volume. Nice one, Korg.
The multipads work WITH the sequencers....just like the drum remix on the Yamaha and Ketron. This really adds sizzle to midi tracks. LOVE this feature.
Key feel is wonderful.
Key feel is wonderful.
STS sounds are much more suited to styles than I was used to before.
Toiuch screen is world ahead of 2 years ago. Back then, I would never have bought this thing......this screen is a breeze to operate, and there are many hard buttons too. One thing I'd LIKE to see is a dedicated button for the RH sounds that didn't use the touch screen ... just in case the screen goes south. (small paranoia)
The songbook is AWESOME.
Layout/weight/looks/speakers ... this one is a keeper for me. I sold the PSR3k. I never want to touch those keys again. They don't go down far enough for me and they feel so dog-gone spongy.....yuk, yuk, yuk. Thank you, Korg for improving on the past PA line to come up with this instrument!
NOW - for my " wish list:
PLEASE add/fix: **I want that second audio input to work at the same time as the vocalist, and WITH effects. **I want the sequences to play from the style mode. I want a few more dedicated buttons/sliders up top. Don;t do any of these things if it will add more than 2 lbs to it though ! So far, it's NO problem to tote, IN the case, with some gear too.
I'm the envy of all the people that see this setup, between the Bose and the PA800...they all want them !
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#120953 - 09/15/07 05:37 PM
Re: KORG Pa800 First Impressions....
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi, have a question on PA800 Multipads. I really luved the multipads on my KN7000. No matter when I hit them, they would sync immediately to the style whether they were hit halfway thru a bar or whatever. I get the impression that if a pad was hit in the middle of a bar, the pad also started from the middle , very smooth. Not sure that it's actually the case, but it felt that way.
I was a bit dissapointed to find that the multipads on my psr1500 didn't quite do the same thing. They seem to play catch up if hit at the wrong time & sometimes I even get a blank bar.( Maybe I've got some sort a setting wrong).
Anyway question is how do the pa800 multipads perform, do they play catchup like my psr's, or do they perform more like the kn's.
Hope I'm making some sense.
Reason I'm asking is I'm planning on getting a new keyboard, haven't quite decided what as yet. Possibly looking at replacing the psr 1500 with the psrS900, or maybe buying a PA800 depending on the pads.
I used to use the multipads extensively on the kn by using a pad to replace one of the style parts & therefore create a new style ( of sorts). Can't safely do this with my psr because of syncing hassles.
best wishes Rikki
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