This is Tiger from Rhode Island. I have been reading topics of this forum for about 3 months. I really would like to have a Tyros. But people keep saying that there is no big difference between 3000 and Tyros other than the after-touch. Can some guru tell me what is the reall difference between those two keyboards, in terms of hardward, software and build-quality?

I heard that Tyros got a better computer inside and the keys feels better.

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Thank you Dnj,Arno,ScottL and ScottY. This certainly clarifies some misconceptions among many Tyros Fans. I didnot notice there is such a big technical difference. I actually thought I could upgrade 3000 by upgrading the OS system. I was awefully wrong!!!

Hope this will help new Tyros buyers make an Easier choice between 3000 and Tyros

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Thank you DnJ:

I have read that. So to sum up:

3k:
USB drive, speakers,
Tyros:
hardisk option, after-touch, "probably" better DSP,better keys,larger screen, more one touch buttons.

But is that all? I think there must be some more differences. People say that the voice on Tyros is better. I guess the computer inside Tyros might be different.

Tyros got 96MB compressed sound vs 64 MB
Tyros have 9 DSP's vs 7 on the 3000
Tyros have more rotary effects 16 vs 8
Tyros 3 voices Right hand vs 2
Better ,tiltable Display
Much better soundchip, heard it today at a Yamaha Demo here in Holland.(Michel Voncken)
Tyros have song pos markers,Night design,300+ styles (incl Harddisk with styles) etc etc.
Regards,
Arno

I own a Tyros and A/B'd it with a PSR3000.

The tone is NOT identical. The Tyros has a noticibly richer, fuller sound, by a long shot, IMHO.

The PSR3000 is very nice for what it is intended for, but it is NOT a Tyros, anymore than the Technics KN2600 was NOT a KN7000 in sound.

If you're not sure, it certainly would be best to A/B them yourself, and then see if the difference is important to you or not. I know it is for me and my wife who also plays.

Best

Scott Langholff

Tiger, I like BOTH the Tyros & PSR3000, but in addition to what's already been said by others here, the IMPORTANT diffences(for me personally) and which keep me with the Tyros and not (yet) adding the PSR3000 are:

1. significantly larger 'user' memory storage capacity allowing me to include MORE custom styles directly accesible to the Yamaha Music Finder.

2. 3 vs. 2 foot pedal controler assignments. I require a MINIMUM of 3 for what I do: sustain, fill self, vocal harmony on/off

3. in addition to mic trim knob on both 3000 & Tyros, the Tyros alone has a dedicated mic volume knob on top of the keyboard, for quick convenient on the fly volume adjustments (a must have on stage).

4. significantly better (quick, more responsive) key feel. The PSR3000 imho feels spongy.

5. Much Larger (and in color) LCD screen, making it much easier to view and navigate, with larger arranger buttons (some lighted) making it easier to correctly select.

The MAIN advantages of the PSR3000 is PRICE and built in speakers, as well as slightly lighter weight (24 vs 27 lbs) transport convenince. The primary advantage of built in speakers is for use as personal onstage monitors, but from a professional (on stage) VISUAL standpoint, they give the keyboard impression to most people as looking more suited for home use. That said, I've appreciated the built in speakers on my former keyboards (Technics KN5000 & PSR2000), but don't miss them on the Tyros, as I have the option to add/remove them as desired, depending on the gig.

I concur with Scott Langholf's remarks. I too had the opportunity to A/B the Tyros side by side with a PSR3000 and DID notice a significant sound improvement quality difference.

In closing, if Santa brings a PSR3000 down my chimney, I would still be thrilled.


- Scott

Today, me and my friend Marcio (Music sudent and Tyros owner), recorded songs with 3000 and Tyros.
The same songs, the same recorder ( Sound Forge 7 ), the same cables + Sound Blaster Audigi.
I think that the result was the SAME.
Another tip: the storage system of 3000 (pen drive) is better and faster than HD storage of Tyros via Usb.
Overthere ,another important issue for profi musicians: a pen drive( in your pocket ) is most secure than an installed HD in front of vibrations and shocks.
Otherwise the 3000 screen(smaller than Tyros) is MUCH better than Tyros in live jobs under sunlight. In this issue Tyros is horrible
At last , Tyros costs the double than 3000 and do not have advantages to justify that difference, IMO.

Cheers
Chico


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Hmmmmmmm..... they sound the SAME.
They sounds DIFFERENT.
Hmmmmmmmmmm....................
A puzzlement !

PEACE

Chico

Hello

Each to his own, of course, However, I A/B'd them both through my JBL Eons. I put in a dummy jack on the 3000 so as to make a fair comparison of sound without the onboard speakers playing.

They sounded very different to my wife and I. I tried to set the mixer on the 3000 to get the sound I like on the Tyros and it never happened. I did not try them set to flat, as I do not play that way.

Maybe they sound more similar if one likes to play with a flat sound. Also, maybe they record sounding the same, but different through speakers??

I know that recordings can sound a lot different than live play. I remember how wowed I was when I heard the Korg PA80 online demo. I thought, wow, I've got to get one of those. It doesn't have that kind of sound live, I was sorry to find out.

Just my slant on it.

Scott Langholff

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