Being the first place on the Internet to offer download of the OS2.01 update for the Roland G-70, please visit the Roland G-70 User Club Denmark website.

The OS2.01 is a bugfix, which fixes the "All LED's turn off" bug.


[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 11-02-2005).]

Seems to me that g70 owners spend more time upgrading their g70's than playing it.... Which is not a bad thing considering ... lol

Yes, and your keyboard is a long time rubbish
at the time G-70 User get the last update.

ahhh, the time-proven "mine is bigger than yours" thing again.

Come on! How can a person not be able to announce some happy news without receiving a comment like this?! I am really getting tired of this! :-( Where is ordinary good behaviour and common netiquette in this forum?

No wonder there are still wars in this world... some people just need to provoke other people!?!... Why is that really necessary? Let's rewind the tape and see what makes me sad:

Step 1:
I announced, that a long awaited bugfix is now released. This is great news to EVERYONE playing a G-70. Nothing more to it than that. Nobody can feel provoked by an announcement like this!

Step 2:
A user chooses to comment on the happy news by saying: "Seems to me that g70 owners spend more time upgrading their g70's than playing it". No *LOL* statement can camouflage, that this is really bad behaviour!!! It is 100% unnecessary to say this. This person WANTS a fight! He is simply asking for it. Are you with me here?

Step 3:
A G-70 user perceives this as a provocation and reacts by being just as childish as the step 2 user. There has to be two persons to get a fight going. However, I understand, that some people don't want to get spanked for no reason...

1, 2, 3 - and now you have a fight! :-( And after that all replies will probably be completely off the topic.

Personally I am administrator of a similar forum. Not at all this size - however in the same niche. In the similar forum people behave well though. The tone is positive and constructive, and nobody tends to have this urge to belittle other users. Enlighten me here! I am curious... why are there these differencies between the two fora? And tell me: should there be / are there sanctions towards users, who doesn't behave according to the rules (if there are any) and doesn't follow common netiquette? IRW society setup rules about, how to react towards citizens, who doesn't follow the rules of society. How does that line of thinking apply to an Internet forum community like this?

I think we should give eachother room to breathe, and give eachother room to start threads telling happy stories about our toy - regardless whether the name is Tyros, G-70 or something else. This should be possible, without fearing being subject to criticism, when your only crime is, that you spread a happy message. Please - if you don't have anything nice to say, then maybe you shouldn't anything at all!

Hope you friendly people understand my point?! :-) English is not my mother tongue, so excuse me for misspelling bad wording :-)


[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 11-02-2005).]

I have to agree. It has gotten a little HOT on the Zone lately. Tempers seem to be popping up (even from members you wouldn't expect it from).

I have to agree with Trident. This "mine is bigger than yours" attitude is really showing its ugly face more frequently. That's why I posted not too long ago that I feel there's some serious "bias" on this forum. I feel it's often towards Yamaha arrangers. You say something negative about Yamaha and it gets ugly. Why?

Squeak

Hallo,
yes, our armada is on the way to South Africa. Unfortunately a small group. (G-70 childs). Some grandfathers around? Hope to get home with good health.
Greetings, now we pass the Street of Gibraltar.
Hanspeter

I sure hope these new OS help. Scott Yee told me Colton Piano carried the G-70. Sure enough, I found one there, but it was OS 1.1. Suggest Retail Price was US$5999, marked down to a mere US$5600. If that sounds high, well, there was a V-stand and a pair of powered speakers that came with it. The sticker said it would be another $100 for delivery and $80 for tuning (well, this is a piano store). I demoed the keyboard for awhile, didn't get to try the vocal harmonist. I like many things about this keyboard, but I am less enthusiatic about the styles, probably because time has increased my expectations. The styles do very little for me. The salesman will let me know when they get OS2 installed, and I will try again, but I am discouraged.

Ok my error..i should have mentioned in that post that i want roland themselves to see that message..im sure they do monitor these forums. why should u guys who spent so much money buying the g70 have to upgrade so many times. What about those people who own a g70 but dont have internet. Theyll never know the countless upgrades that roland released. Roland should wake up next time and not put its customers through all this hardship. Im not trying to offend anybody but roland themselves. Roland is capable of keyboards that require few upgrades like the va5 or e500 for example.

There have been months now without a real KB battle, I don't see any reason to get hurt by rolandfan's comment. It is true, the G-70 has great features, but when it came out it was an unfinished product, and still seems to be. Good or bad.

Here in south africa its $3200

Its a pity there isnt a staff from roland on this board to give us an answer as to why they released this keyboard given its original state...

Are you shure? When did you notice the last upgrade before OS2? Perhaps you don't have a calculator, try it with your fingers! Speak about things you realy know. May be some people will believe your sh... That's my sorrow.

lol

No, you're wrong... MINE is better than yours. And I can't tell you what mine is 'cause then you'll go and get one and then mine won't be better than yours anymore.

Actually I don't know why I am taking the time to answer such a question... but I started the thread, so I will make an exception in this case :-)

It is ABSOLUTELY EVIDENT, why the Roland staff do not / can not / should no go into a discussion as to answer "When the keyboard is given its original state". BTW - what you mean is presumably "its final state". Hey - try to go two steps back and look at, what you are saying. Whether the keyboard is in a final state will always be a subjective issue. Try to ask five different people to tell "how final" they think the keyboard is. Ask them to use percentages in their answers. You will likely get five different answers!

You want Roland to discuss their products in a forum like this one. Once again you a completely out of your mind. Imagine how resourceful a task this would be, if Roland should use resources to monitor and to comment on this and that in this forum. And what about the hundreds of similar fora on the Internet. Do you also think, that Roland should support them too? And don't forget the thousands of newsgroups... and even if they did accept to participate in a discussion in an Internet forum, then the tone here is way out of line. People are having unrealistic demands, and everyone seems to think, that his own personal opinion is the naked truth. A company like Roland can't go into a discussion on these terms. Either can Korg, Ketron, Yamaha etc. - for that sake :-)

It is obviously to me, that your comments have been given very little consideration, before they are published! I don't know whether you are very young at age, but it seems to me, that you are very unexperienced regarding the issues mentioned here. Therefore, get some experience in life. Try to work in marketing or a simmilar business, where you can get a more realistic picture of how things are working. And please, stop this vendetta, and stop continuing making a fool out of yourself by suggesting these unrealistic things!

Once again I appeal to everyone to keep a sober tone! Think about what you are writing. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then back off and find another thread :-) Remember - this thread had only one humble goal, and that was to spread a happy word!

[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 11-02-2005).]

I think I am starting to get warmed up now... During the last year I have laughed a lot about a the manipulating and untruthful things said in this forum about the G-70. However, I did promise myself not to go into clinch with the amateur demagogues. Once again, I will make an exception, because this statement is just so manipulating, that if you were a used-cars salesperson, you would get yourself into jail, if you used the same rethoric, when you sell your cars.

Well, please define to me, what an unfinished product is!

When you have done so, please visit the Roland G-70 User Club Website and refer to the bugs section. Now tell me, how many unsolved bugs there are left?

Now tell me, how low the number should be, before you would say, that the product is finished.

When you have done that, then we should compare your number to the number of existing bugs in other keyboard brands.

.... I will probably not be around to follow you doing the maths, so let's jump to the conclusion:

The result of your test will show you, the no keyboard - Korg, Ketron, Solton, Wersi, Böhm, Yamaha etc. are finished, if we use your rethoric.

"Congratulations!"

My friend - stop exposing your ignorance. And please find some threads, where you can provide with knowledge instead of trying to manipulate newbies....

U are wrong. Yamaha up until recently did have a rep here. Go do some research next time. It is alro common knowledge that many people here think that the original version of g70 is seriously flawed

Weisefar when u get angry try to be constructive in your replies and avoid your ruthless remarks about fellow members here

Thank you for your kind suggestion. I think I have made my points clear to everyone. I have nothing new to add :-)

We certainly disagree :-)

You say, that many people here say, that the G-70 is unfinished, so that entitles you to state, that the G-70 is unfinished after the release of OS2.01.

Come on... what kind of rethoric is this? Sorry if you think I am ruthless, but what can I do. You give me no choice. You are argue like my 6 year old son... *LOL*

[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 11-02-2005).]

ok cool : )

For a perspective on rolandfan's ability, do a search here for all of his posts (search under Username).

It appears he has gone through almost every arranger on the planet (I kid, I kid.......!) and still is not satisfied. Well, he's getting (got?) a Tyros2 and thinks this will be his solution. Guess what? Next thing out, he'll be dissing the Tyros2. Perhaps he'll change his handle to yamahafan when he finds THAT won't turn him into a great player.........

It's a poor workman who blames his tools

Weissefar, I totally agree with you. Some users here behave very childish and takes every chance to post immature comments to everything.

I guess this forum once was supposed to be a serious place where you could get information and help with your keyboard and even exchange experiences with other users, but now it often seem to be a big sandbox where a lot of users throwing dirt on each other...

I'm very satisfied with my G-70 and to me it's the best keyboard available right now,but that's not an excuse for me to discard any other keyboard brand on the market.

Turnip, there is still very valuable info in this forum, you just have to dig a little deeper now that the temperature is too hot.

Some people here were dissapointed that a company with an excellent record, such as Roland, would produce something that even Roland "loyals" or "fans" found lacking in some areas.

Add to that the teasing they get from others here, providing a complicated version of "I told you so", and suddenly they are hit from both sides (Yamahan enemies and friendly fire from Roland itself).
They respond accordingly and the mess is affecting all of us.

There are 5 main boards in the frame,every now and again there are upgrades and new models,which is what keeps up the competition,and thats a good thing,if people wish to stay loyal to one board thats fine,its about enjoying what we have ,maybe Ketron will bring out a new board and the whole thing starts again,its not a problem,we have to ALL realise that until a company comes out with everything in one board,which won,t happen cause we won,t need to buy another board,so lets by all means share opinions,and act like MEN (or women ) and not kids,and STAY a friendly forum,mike

Ok a little history. I've been the professional keyboards since 1997. Before that I had those cheap casios. My first professional board was a Roland E38. Then I had a E66 ,E86, E500. Then in 2004 I bought a VA5. I felt it was quiet advanced compared to my previous boards. I felt it was better than the Yamaha PSR 2000. I play at home only for my own personal entertainment and some friends now and then. Even when I had a VA5 my friends and family said my music was ok. When I bought a Tyros 4 months ago I was blown away by the quality of its sounds and styles. My friends and family were for the first time in my life REALLY REALLY impressed with the music I made with this keyboard. The same songs I had done with my VA5 sounded 10 times better on my Tyros according to everyone I invited home to hear me play. I really believe that quality of my playing also increased when I got the Tyros...perhaps it inspired me to do better. I am still just an amateur home hobby player nonethesless.... But one of my friends recently (after watching me play) asked me to play a few songs to a crowd of 25000 at a Fair in my town 2 months ago. I was scared but agreed and did it. It is amazing to play to a huge crowd but I was scared lol. I feel I would never have gotten the opportunity to play if I still had my VA5 cos this guy (the promoter of the fair) was never really awestruck by my VA5. I sold my Tyros only because I want Tyros2. I wont get tired of the Tyros......ever. For you guys who make a living with these expensive keyboards you dont have to worry if you dont like it you can cover up and sell it.... For me I'm not making money with this, so its money thats not coming back...this is why I have to look at keyboards with a critical eye.

As a current owner of a G70, my view on the release of the new operating system is as follows:

- I am very pleased to find that Roland has responded quickly to a particular problem reported by G70 owners

- Roland's support for owners of it's products seems to have improved dramatically within the last year or so. They seem a lot more active than was historically the case (judging by the previous poor support for my older VA76)

- While this "point one" release is to fix a specific bug, so it's purpose is known, I still wish Roland would make a point of listing bug fixes, as well as new features, when releasing any OS upgrade. My beleif is that they are reluctant to do this as it implies that their were flaws in the product to begin with. In constrast, Korg is very good at listing the bug fixes in it's OS releases, and doesn't seem to suffer negative publicity for their honesty. Personally I admire them for being straight with their customers and feel that their openness is reasuring.

- These days, most (all?) keyboards of this complexity have the odd bug or two on shipping. Whilst it would be nice if they were all perfect at launch, realistically it would take so long to iron out every little quirk that the things would be out of date before they hit the shops. Whilst the G70 may have been born with more than it's fair share of "issues", at least Roland are doing something about it, within the limitations of the hardware.

I make these comments not as a Roland fan, in particular (I am actually very critical of both the VA and the G70, whilst accepting that they do the job I want at the moment), but more in the interests of fairness.

Roland are doing an increasingly good job of supporting their G70 owners at the moment, not perfect, but pretty good.

I still have memories of the none existant tone editor software programme promised for the £10,000 Yamaha HX1 I used to own, the zero support for the rubbish Korg i30 I bought to replace it's excellent i3 predecessor, etc etc etc. Just goes to show that ALL manufacturers could be better at customer support, at times - but at least Roland are trying at the moment. Don't knock 'em when they ARE doing something right!

Regards - Mike

[This message has been edited by MikeTV (edited 11-03-2005).]

Its good to hear that Roland has improved its customer care. I would try out the g70 ver 2 but my dealer is too lazy to upgrade the one he has instore. Its the same one i tried 6 months ago. Its the original original version. I will give the pa1x pro a try while i wait for a quote on T2

MikeTV--good, positive post.
DonM

Wow! Man tempers are really starting to show in this forum. Folks we all need to understand that ALL of us have our own opinions about the different keyboards out there. Our opinions don't make one keyboard better than the other. We all have individual needs and the boards we buy are bought to fill those needs. Be it a Roland G-70, Tyros 2, Korg PA series, Casio and so on, it doesn't really matter. What works for one doesn't work for the other.

If someone says something negative about Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Casio, ect. So the hell what. It's their opinion. Just because someone doesn't like a particual board or disagrees with the way the release was handled doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion on the matter.

Personally I think Roland jumped the gun and all the buyers with the first OS were test subjects, BUT it's not just Roland. Yammie and Korg do it as well. The thing that eases all this suffering is when the company knows they jumped the gun, but fixes their booboos by selling boards with upgradable operating systems. I commend Roland for this. Since the release of OS2 there have been many happy G-70 owners.

We need to start respecting all of our fellow members on this forum. Even if you don't agree with what they say, you have to at least respect their opinion.

Squeak

Amen to that!!

I think it is commendable that Roland is fixing bugs and issuing the OS updates, despite the fact that some people may interpret these updates as admissions of earlier deficiencies, and make snide comments about them.

This is way better than what Yamaha did a while ago, where it would take hours of arguments just to have them to admit that something may be not working properly - just review posts from Scott Yee and Don Mason.

I would also like to disagree with something Weissefar was saying - I think it would greatly help to have one of Roland people participate in this (or a similar) forum. Yes, it would take some time and effort, but Roland is already spending lots of money on producing a glossy publication called RUG Magazine - it looks nice, and undoubtedly takes a lot of effort, and yet I think it is completely useless. Do you give a $#!+ about how many Roland keyboards Ricki Martin's band uses? Even if you did, all of their stuff is pre-recorded or in the best case sequenced. Instead of this useless crap, Roland could expend some effort on building up a relationship with its user base by having a staff member participate here.

Of course, they would have to listen to an occasional earfuls about their products' shortcomings, and it would help if they had occasionally contributed useful technical hints (like Yamaha, GEM, Ketron reps are doing here). But it would help them come up with better instruments, with features that users actually need, as opposed to forcing us to use touchscreens. And it would certainly give people like me fewer things to harp about.

Regards,
Alex

Roland can easily do it. Not much of an expense for them...and they would gain VAST knowledge through direct and constant feedback with the market the g70 and other arrangers are aimed at. That would give a new meaning to customer..all this for the cost of a mere phone line and modem : )

The fact is, rolandfan (can't you change your handle, it's a joke!) that due to the backbiting that goes on here, I doubt that any arranger developer from the big three would post here (lots of sales managers [they just want your money], and product specialists post here - usually NOT the developers) just to listen to some amateur kid whine about the styles.

At the Danish G70 site (you know where it is, rolandfan - you've been there whining) the Roland DEVELOPERS are a constant (but silent) presence. Features that we have requested there have made it into OS2, bugs that have been discovered have been fixed within WEEKS of their discovery (not months or years like some other manufacturers). I would rather have a silent partner that gets the job done, to any number of vocal 'experts' that have no direct connection to the software developers.

There's a word called 'trolling' which I understand is used for someone who, after he no longer has anything to do with a piece of hardware or software, spends a lot of his time lurking in their forums complaining loudly.

If you no longer have a G70, rolandfan, why don't you spend your time sharing your VAST experience on what makes a great arranger with your fellow Tyrosians. I'm sure they are looking forward to it.

Move on............

I would like to add my support to the comments of Diki. Try look at, what we have achieved with the G-70 User Club. It is AMAZING!

I would like to give my humble appreciation to ALL the G-70 User Club Members for taking part in the project. You are making history! Keep up that spirit, and refer to this thread to remember, what happens to people (e.g. rolandfan), who doens't understand, that being constructive and positive is the only path to success! ;-)

Originally posted by Dik
At the Danish G70 site (you know where it is, rolandfan - you've been there whining)

For your imformation I have NEVER visited the Danish G70 forum in my life and I have NEVER owned a G70. Where do you come up with these lies anyway ?

I will continue to use the name rolandfan

I'm sure you have tried every arranger keyboard on earth as well... Gee that makes us even.

Well rolandfan how can you keep running your mouth if you have never owned a G70?
I come here and read the info that can help.
And I have to see your's and three or four other members crapp.
Its about helping each other not fighting.
Like myself maybe Roland will get enough of your mouth.
YOU COULD HAVE TO TELL IT TO A JUDGE.

My apologies g angel.

Guys,

let's play nice!

I too have not owned a G70, but still have some opinions about it. Moreover, while my opinions are formed on the basis of the available information and store demos, I consider them perfectly valid - certainly, you can not expect someone not to say why he did not buy something just because he did not buy it.

While rolandfan's remarks are indeed on the snide side, the childish reactions of some of the G70 users make me wonder whether they are really so uncertain of the quality of their G70s that they must constantly seek approval from the others.

The truth is that there is no perfect keyboard, and surely there are some things that you wish were better on yours - if you don't than your opinions are so much less valuable TO ME, because you obviously do not see these keyboards from the same point of view than I do. Nonetheless, I will be the first to tell you that we all have equal right to voice our own opinions, however disagreeable or useless, as long as we are being polite and civil to each other.

I have been a Roland keyboard user for the last 15 years, which is a testament to the fact that I do like certain aspects of Roland instruments. Nonetheless, I have always been a critic of various shortcomings of their gear and some objectionable business practices of the company.

I can understand the frustration and disappointment of a fan who sees the leading company offer nothing better than the EXR-7 crap, as was the case last year. Now that the G70 is out, and is more reliant on the touch screen than even the VA76 was, is very disheartening to even the die-hard fan like I am.

Back to another thought: I would not expect a developer from any company to be posting here - they probably do not speak english, have very little say in what actually goes into the keyboard, and besides, their time is better spent coding. A marketing person, or a technical specialist would be a much better conduit between the company and the users. Indeed, other companies reps are active members of this forum. Why not Roland?

Regards,
Alex

Hi All,
the object of this thread is an G-70 update. One member answers and will make other people believe that the amount of updates from Roland for G-70 are countless. The answering Member is well known for his unfriendly comments on G-70. Nobody answers him with facts. Some with childish words (your and other Member judgement), and some with exggerated moral and other "intelligent" things. (my perception)
Fact is: since April (V 1.10) Roland released one big improvement(Version 2) and one hot expected bug fix last week. That's all. (I need 15 minutes to do a system update)
Regards
Hanspeter

Ironhill,

thank you for your "polite" reply.

If you go through this thread, you will realize that while Rolandfan's initial comment was abrasive, he explained his motives, which seem well-intentioned to me.

On the other hand, it was your own comment that has led to deterioration of demeanor in this thread (read the third post from the top), as well as the following one.

If you could only stick to stating the facts, I think we could all be better off, as it seems that some people don't seem to be able to voice an opinion without offending others.

Regards,
Alex

My apologies to rolandfan, I have him confused with some other troll. But a quick question......... after you break up with a girl, do you constantly phone her up and complain about her 'faults', or are you man enough to move on?

All his whining, and he has never even been to the one site dedicated to the G70? Perhaps his time would have been better spent researching his opinions before he posts them?

In fact, perhaps his time would be better spent PRACTICING, then perhaps he could get a gig and realize there's more to life than trolling other people's posts.

I dont want to gig. playing the keyboard is just a hobby for me..a cool hobby : )