We certainly disagree :-)

You say, that many people here say, that the G-70 is unfinished, so that entitles you to state, that the G-70 is unfinished after the release of OS2.01.

Come on... what kind of rethoric is this? Sorry if you think I am ruthless, but what can I do. You give me no choice. You are argue like my 6 year old son... *LOL*

[This message has been edited by weissefar (edited 11-02-2005).]

ok cool : )

For a perspective on rolandfan's ability, do a search here for all of his posts (search under Username).

It appears he has gone through almost every arranger on the planet (I kid, I kid.......!) and still is not satisfied. Well, he's getting (got?) a Tyros2 and thinks this will be his solution. Guess what? Next thing out, he'll be dissing the Tyros2. Perhaps he'll change his handle to yamahafan when he finds THAT won't turn him into a great player.........

It's a poor workman who blames his tools

Weissefar, I totally agree with you. Some users here behave very childish and takes every chance to post immature comments to everything.

I guess this forum once was supposed to be a serious place where you could get information and help with your keyboard and even exchange experiences with other users, but now it often seem to be a big sandbox where a lot of users throwing dirt on each other...

I'm very satisfied with my G-70 and to me it's the best keyboard available right now,but that's not an excuse for me to discard any other keyboard brand on the market.

Turnip, there is still very valuable info in this forum, you just have to dig a little deeper now that the temperature is too hot.

Some people here were dissapointed that a company with an excellent record, such as Roland, would produce something that even Roland "loyals" or "fans" found lacking in some areas.

Add to that the teasing they get from others here, providing a complicated version of "I told you so", and suddenly they are hit from both sides (Yamahan enemies and friendly fire from Roland itself).
They respond accordingly and the mess is affecting all of us.

There are 5 main boards in the frame,every now and again there are upgrades and new models,which is what keeps up the competition,and thats a good thing,if people wish to stay loyal to one board thats fine,its about enjoying what we have ,maybe Ketron will bring out a new board and the whole thing starts again,its not a problem,we have to ALL realise that until a company comes out with everything in one board,which won,t happen cause we won,t need to buy another board,so lets by all means share opinions,and act like MEN (or women ) and not kids,and STAY a friendly forum,mike

Ok a little history. I've been the professional keyboards since 1997. Before that I had those cheap casios. My first professional board was a Roland E38. Then I had a E66 ,E86, E500. Then in 2004 I bought a VA5. I felt it was quiet advanced compared to my previous boards. I felt it was better than the Yamaha PSR 2000. I play at home only for my own personal entertainment and some friends now and then. Even when I had a VA5 my friends and family said my music was ok. When I bought a Tyros 4 months ago I was blown away by the quality of its sounds and styles. My friends and family were for the first time in my life REALLY REALLY impressed with the music I made with this keyboard. The same songs I had done with my VA5 sounded 10 times better on my Tyros according to everyone I invited home to hear me play. I really believe that quality of my playing also increased when I got the Tyros...perhaps it inspired me to do better. I am still just an amateur home hobby player nonethesless.... But one of my friends recently (after watching me play) asked me to play a few songs to a crowd of 25000 at a Fair in my town 2 months ago. I was scared but agreed and did it. It is amazing to play to a huge crowd but I was scared lol. I feel I would never have gotten the opportunity to play if I still had my VA5 cos this guy (the promoter of the fair) was never really awestruck by my VA5. I sold my Tyros only because I want Tyros2. I wont get tired of the Tyros......ever. For you guys who make a living with these expensive keyboards you dont have to worry if you dont like it you can cover up and sell it.... For me I'm not making money with this, so its money thats not coming back...this is why I have to look at keyboards with a critical eye.

As a current owner of a G70, my view on the release of the new operating system is as follows:

- I am very pleased to find that Roland has responded quickly to a particular problem reported by G70 owners

- Roland's support for owners of it's products seems to have improved dramatically within the last year or so. They seem a lot more active than was historically the case (judging by the previous poor support for my older VA76)

- While this "point one" release is to fix a specific bug, so it's purpose is known, I still wish Roland would make a point of listing bug fixes, as well as new features, when releasing any OS upgrade. My beleif is that they are reluctant to do this as it implies that their were flaws in the product to begin with. In constrast, Korg is very good at listing the bug fixes in it's OS releases, and doesn't seem to suffer negative publicity for their honesty. Personally I admire them for being straight with their customers and feel that their openness is reasuring.

- These days, most (all?) keyboards of this complexity have the odd bug or two on shipping. Whilst it would be nice if they were all perfect at launch, realistically it would take so long to iron out every little quirk that the things would be out of date before they hit the shops. Whilst the G70 may have been born with more than it's fair share of "issues", at least Roland are doing something about it, within the limitations of the hardware.

I make these comments not as a Roland fan, in particular (I am actually very critical of both the VA and the G70, whilst accepting that they do the job I want at the moment), but more in the interests of fairness.

Roland are doing an increasingly good job of supporting their G70 owners at the moment, not perfect, but pretty good.

I still have memories of the none existant tone editor software programme promised for the £10,000 Yamaha HX1 I used to own, the zero support for the rubbish Korg i30 I bought to replace it's excellent i3 predecessor, etc etc etc. Just goes to show that ALL manufacturers could be better at customer support, at times - but at least Roland are trying at the moment. Don't knock 'em when they ARE doing something right!

Regards - Mike

[This message has been edited by MikeTV (edited 11-03-2005).]

Its good to hear that Roland has improved its customer care. I would try out the g70 ver 2 but my dealer is too lazy to upgrade the one he has instore. Its the same one i tried 6 months ago. Its the original original version. I will give the pa1x pro a try while i wait for a quote on T2

MikeTV--good, positive post.
DonM