Wow! Man tempers are really starting to show in this forum. Folks we all need to understand that ALL of us have our own opinions about the different keyboards out there. Our opinions don't make one keyboard better than the other. We all have individual needs and the boards we buy are bought to fill those needs. Be it a Roland G-70, Tyros 2, Korg PA series, Casio and so on, it doesn't really matter. What works for one doesn't work for the other.

If someone says something negative about Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Casio, ect. So the hell what. It's their opinion. Just because someone doesn't like a particual board or disagrees with the way the release was handled doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion on the matter.

Personally I think Roland jumped the gun and all the buyers with the first OS were test subjects, BUT it's not just Roland. Yammie and Korg do it as well. The thing that eases all this suffering is when the company knows they jumped the gun, but fixes their booboos by selling boards with upgradable operating systems. I commend Roland for this. Since the release of OS2 there have been many happy G-70 owners.

We need to start respecting all of our fellow members on this forum. Even if you don't agree with what they say, you have to at least respect their opinion.

Squeak

Amen to that!!

I think it is commendable that Roland is fixing bugs and issuing the OS updates, despite the fact that some people may interpret these updates as admissions of earlier deficiencies, and make snide comments about them.

This is way better than what Yamaha did a while ago, where it would take hours of arguments just to have them to admit that something may be not working properly - just review posts from Scott Yee and Don Mason.

I would also like to disagree with something Weissefar was saying - I think it would greatly help to have one of Roland people participate in this (or a similar) forum. Yes, it would take some time and effort, but Roland is already spending lots of money on producing a glossy publication called RUG Magazine - it looks nice, and undoubtedly takes a lot of effort, and yet I think it is completely useless. Do you give a $#!+ about how many Roland keyboards Ricki Martin's band uses? Even if you did, all of their stuff is pre-recorded or in the best case sequenced. Instead of this useless crap, Roland could expend some effort on building up a relationship with its user base by having a staff member participate here.

Of course, they would have to listen to an occasional earfuls about their products' shortcomings, and it would help if they had occasionally contributed useful technical hints (like Yamaha, GEM, Ketron reps are doing here). But it would help them come up with better instruments, with features that users actually need, as opposed to forcing us to use touchscreens. And it would certainly give people like me fewer things to harp about.

Regards,
Alex

Roland can easily do it. Not much of an expense for them...and they would gain VAST knowledge through direct and constant feedback with the market the g70 and other arrangers are aimed at. That would give a new meaning to customer..all this for the cost of a mere phone line and modem : )

The fact is, rolandfan (can't you change your handle, it's a joke!) that due to the backbiting that goes on here, I doubt that any arranger developer from the big three would post here (lots of sales managers [they just want your money], and product specialists post here - usually NOT the developers) just to listen to some amateur kid whine about the styles.

At the Danish G70 site (you know where it is, rolandfan - you've been there whining) the Roland DEVELOPERS are a constant (but silent) presence. Features that we have requested there have made it into OS2, bugs that have been discovered have been fixed within WEEKS of their discovery (not months or years like some other manufacturers). I would rather have a silent partner that gets the job done, to any number of vocal 'experts' that have no direct connection to the software developers.

There's a word called 'trolling' which I understand is used for someone who, after he no longer has anything to do with a piece of hardware or software, spends a lot of his time lurking in their forums complaining loudly.

If you no longer have a G70, rolandfan, why don't you spend your time sharing your VAST experience on what makes a great arranger with your fellow Tyrosians. I'm sure they are looking forward to it.

Move on............

I would like to add my support to the comments of Diki. Try look at, what we have achieved with the G-70 User Club. It is AMAZING!

I would like to give my humble appreciation to ALL the G-70 User Club Members for taking part in the project. You are making history! Keep up that spirit, and refer to this thread to remember, what happens to people (e.g. rolandfan), who doens't understand, that being constructive and positive is the only path to success! ;-)

Originally posted by Dik
At the Danish G70 site (you know where it is, rolandfan - you've been there whining)

For your imformation I have NEVER visited the Danish G70 forum in my life and I have NEVER owned a G70. Where do you come up with these lies anyway ?

I will continue to use the name rolandfan

I'm sure you have tried every arranger keyboard on earth as well... Gee that makes us even.

Well rolandfan how can you keep running your mouth if you have never owned a G70?
I come here and read the info that can help.
And I have to see your's and three or four other members crapp.
Its about helping each other not fighting.
Like myself maybe Roland will get enough of your mouth.
YOU COULD HAVE TO TELL IT TO A JUDGE.

My apologies g angel.

Guys,

let's play nice!

I too have not owned a G70, but still have some opinions about it. Moreover, while my opinions are formed on the basis of the available information and store demos, I consider them perfectly valid - certainly, you can not expect someone not to say why he did not buy something just because he did not buy it.

While rolandfan's remarks are indeed on the snide side, the childish reactions of some of the G70 users make me wonder whether they are really so uncertain of the quality of their G70s that they must constantly seek approval from the others.

The truth is that there is no perfect keyboard, and surely there are some things that you wish were better on yours - if you don't than your opinions are so much less valuable TO ME, because you obviously do not see these keyboards from the same point of view than I do. Nonetheless, I will be the first to tell you that we all have equal right to voice our own opinions, however disagreeable or useless, as long as we are being polite and civil to each other.

I have been a Roland keyboard user for the last 15 years, which is a testament to the fact that I do like certain aspects of Roland instruments. Nonetheless, I have always been a critic of various shortcomings of their gear and some objectionable business practices of the company.

I can understand the frustration and disappointment of a fan who sees the leading company offer nothing better than the EXR-7 crap, as was the case last year. Now that the G70 is out, and is more reliant on the touch screen than even the VA76 was, is very disheartening to even the die-hard fan like I am.

Back to another thought: I would not expect a developer from any company to be posting here - they probably do not speak english, have very little say in what actually goes into the keyboard, and besides, their time is better spent coding. A marketing person, or a technical specialist would be a much better conduit between the company and the users. Indeed, other companies reps are active members of this forum. Why not Roland?

Regards,
Alex