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#127888 - 09/08/03 03:13 PM Re: upgrade
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As of this week...Dnj [2k] Dave [Pa80 with a possible Tyros very soon] Fran [G1000/Psr2100} this information is tentative and can change without notice...

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#127889 - 09/08/03 10:53 PM Re: upgrade
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
I officially traded my PA80 for the Tyros. It was too good a deal to pass up. No money changed hands, and i got into a new ride for a while. The Ty will sit in my studio because of it's "mute" status - played through the studio monitors only. (Event 2020's)
For live work...I had to resort to the 2100 for a while because of the speakers. I hate the chord fingering designation, but I'm being forced to adjust. Luckily, September is a little slow starting so I have time to make the changes I need to. By mid October..... I won't have time to open the case unless I'm at work.

Fran and I gave the Ty and the 21 a workout tonight and found the keys to be the same size. (UNDERsized, at that!) The downward throw on the Ty is very short...like the 9000 was, so it may seem easier for some to play faster licks. So far, it's not a factor for me. I wish they use the same keybed that the 9kpro has. That was sweet.

As a studio sound source .... I am very pleased with the Ty so far. It triggers my Roland JV1080 and 4 exp cards, so sounds are a plenty !

I'm still contemplating a swap for a pro or a kn7000..... I'm just not in love, you know what I mean????? I'm always thinking.
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#127890 - 09/09/03 12:58 AM Re: upgrade
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
Dave,
it takes some time to fall in love with the Tyros, but later...it looks like it's going to be a lasting relationship...VERY dangerous for someone like you!!!
(I warned you!)
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#127891 - 09/09/03 09:56 AM Re: upgrade
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Registered: 08/08/03
Posts: 74
Loc: Finland
Sunster

I had a PSR740 and now PSR2000. For me there was more than enough new features and incredible sound improvement over 740.
In few words, I am extremely happy with my PSR2K!

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#127892 - 09/09/03 11:46 AM Re: upgrade
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Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
Uncle Dave said, "I hate the chord fingering designation". What's up with that? When I play a suspended chord in any inversion on my Roland it plays the expected suspended chord. On my Yamaha PSR550 it says its a major chord and does not play the suspended chord unless it's in root position. I take it this happens on the PSR2100 as well?
Hey Yamaha, fix that hey.
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#127893 - 09/09/03 06:47 PM Re: upgrade
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
I admit to being a bit anal where chord fingerings are concerned. I play manual bass most of the time and I never learned to use fingered chords with my left hand. This is why the Roland/Korg method of EZ chording has been great for me. When I do kick on the arranger, I can trigger a maj chord with just one finger and a minor by adding the appropriate minor third interval. More complex chords require more fingers...I can deal with them as they arise.

The Yamaha has only ONE 1-finger option and that includes a weird, non theory based fingering to get minors and sevenths...and NO way to play dim or aug in that mode. UNusable, unless your music has only maj/min 7th chords.

The closest thing to comfort in the Tyros is the AI-fingered mode. This requires 2 notes at least, and when I forget to play the major third in a chord...it makes a hollow, NO designation open chord. Same thing if I play an octave. Weird sound.

If I use fingered mode...then I NEED to play at least 3 notes all the time, and that takes all my concentration away from where my head SHOULD be.
This is my quandry.
sigh....
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#127894 - 09/10/03 10:41 AM Re: upgrade
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
If I use fingered mode...then I NEED to play at least 3 notes all the time, and that takes all my concentration away from where my head SHOULD be.


Dave,
If you insist playing in this mode, the troubles with your concentration will go away little by little. And this will bring a lot of benefits to your overall sound and musicianship!
-- José.

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#127895 - 09/10/03 12:22 PM Re: upgrade
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
I'm sure I could learn the new technique, but the more automated we become, the LESS musical we actually are. I can't get excited over pre-programed style patterns night after night. I just want a diversion now & then to fatten up the mix. Generic backings really get monotonous after a while.

I love orchestrating the piano, bass and drum fills in real time as I compliment my vocal arrangement. that's WHY I play. To accompany my singing. I refuse to get too chummy, accompanying an auto keyboard pattern.
No offense to your intent, but getting LESS automated is my real goal. I just want a good, solid speaker system and a versitile drummer......housed in a small, sturdy, playable package. The arranger is just fluff. I take it out for a spin on nice days, that's all I want it for.

We'll get there someday. If not....maybe it's time to get a real job. Being a slave to an arranger is not in my plans.
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