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#135534 - 01/05/03 09:21 AM Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
rgtaa Offline
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Hey Guys!
I have just started using ACID PRO 4 and taking the output from my PSR9000 and putting it into LINE Input on my generic audio card... and it sounds great!
I can then add lots of tracks doing this.
I don't even need midi ...

I was using music jukebox before to do the same thing ... but acid pro 4 sounds better and gives me alot of tracks.

Any other suggestions for Easy transfer from Arranger to computer ... other programs, hints, ect!

I never really got into midi ... although i have all the software programs and havnt used them : Reason 2 , Ejay4, Cool Edit Pro 2, ect....

So this opens new horizon for me ... and Acid pro 4 converts the WAV tracks into 1 mp3 file when i finish!

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#135535 - 01/05/03 09:41 AM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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PLUS, now that Acid Pro 4 is only $149 RETAIL, there is NO reason to NOT have it. The last version was over $300, and well worth it. The only down side to using audio files is the storage space. They are MUCH larger than midi files.
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#135536 - 01/05/03 11:07 AM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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Yeah!
That's why I stated about converting the WAV's to MP3 format when I finish with song... Those WAV's take up alot of SPACE! ... as you correctly state!

P.S. I have 320 gig hard drive space in my main PC ( one 120gig and 2 100 gig hard drives) ... so space is not a problem for me yet!

UD is that your Main Music program at the moment ... anything else good that you use... or helpful insights into Acid Pro 4?

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#135537 - 01/05/03 11:52 AM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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rg,
When I do use the pc for recording, I use Sonar good program with alot more options than Acid (which I also have) and Sonar records more easily (technically) than Acid does.

Also, I use a Midiman Delta 44 sound card, which comes with a 4> 4< breakout box for analog.
jam on,
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[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 01-05-2003).]
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#135538 - 01/05/03 12:02 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
rgtaa Offline
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Found this info about Delta 44 ..which costs about 250 bucks: (I'll look into this) and the Sonar program!

The Delta 44 is the only computer interface you will need to input and output 4 channels of analog audio from your computer -- all at an
affordable price and at the pinnacle of 24-bit 96kHz fidelity. The Delta 44 system includes a PCI card connected to a sturdy analog break-out box. The break-out box provides four analog audio input and output jacks (1/4" TRS), compatible with balanced or unbalanced, +4dB or -10dB signal levels. Also included is Delta Control Panel software which allows you to control the Delta 44's comprehensive routing, monitoring, and mixing capabilities.

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#135539 - 01/05/03 01:49 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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rg,
You got it and it works and sounds great as well too.
Terry
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#135540 - 01/05/03 09:33 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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I do very little editing with pc envirnments. I record with a digital 8 track unit (Roland VSR880) and a Mackie 1604VLZpro mixer. I prefer the outboard effects and real time knobe for session work. I use computer programs to convert tracks after I make them in the studio. I also use a TC Electronics finalizer, so I like having that patched into the analog mixer before I burn a CD. After the track is mastered ... I can import it to the pc for sweetning (if ness) or conversion to different formats.
Mostly, my world is still live, but I DO MAKE some of my own backinmg tracks to fill up holes in the production numbers. I recorded a Beach Boys medley that has all my (Digitech generated) harmonies and the rhythm tracks on it, so I can play straight piano or guitar and still get the full arrangement. This is essential to use audio for, since the harmonies are NOT singing the same words as the lead!
eg: Inside, outside U.S.A. ...etc .....
Really sounds great.
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#135541 - 01/06/03 04:03 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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If you're going to be burning a CD, and want the keyboard to sound exactly like it does when you're playing, and you're recording vocals as well, you may want to use Goldwave or Sound Forge XP-4.5, both of which will allow you to record directly into your PC and produce outstanding results. I posted a complete set of detailed instructions on doing just this at http://psrtutorial.com/ under the "Intermediate" heading, then click on "Recording Directly from Your PSR-2000." This is a simple task that anyone can easily do and obtain excellent results. Goldwave is a shareware program that can be downloaded from www.goldwave.com , it's user friendly and records both mono and full stereo. The only hardware you need is a cable from your keyboard's output to the computer's line in on the sound card. It's that easy.

Cheers,

Gary
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#135542 - 01/06/03 04:37 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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excellent!
Thanks!

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#135543 - 01/06/03 05:14 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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You can use Total Recorder. It's either free or has a "token" charge.
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#135544 - 01/06/03 05:24 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
rgtaa Offline
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i tryed GoldWave but I can't get it to record multiple tracks... only left and right stereo track... how to i get track 3 or 4 into it?

Acid Pro 4 has the same simple Record Feature ... but it then lets me add multiple Tracks to it ... am I wrong with GoldWAVE? ... in ACid as i'm playing track 3 I can hear the frist traack I laid down... does the other programs GoldWave or Total Record do that? ... My Jukebox program only let me lay down one track also.

Sonic 2 seems alot harder to figure it out ..but i'm working on it.

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#135545 - 01/06/03 05:42 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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Both GoldWave and Sound Forge XP 4.5 only record two tracks. However, if you have a multiple channel mixer, then you can run as many sounds through them as your heart desires. It may take a few tries to get them the way you want, but I sincerely beleive you'll be happy with the results. Keep in mind that you are not recording midi files with multiple channels, but instead, you are recording WAV files directly to your computer. There is a significant difference between midi files and WAV files.

If you wish to record a midi file directly to the PSR-2000, you can do so, save it on a floppy, then play the midi file back through the keyboard and record them as WAV files. You can also simultaneously record vocals. I do all the mixing with a 12 channel stereo mixer, but if you wish, you can really be creative and do the mixing with the program. You can also pan, cross mix and do lots of other neat things. This will take a bit of time to learn, but with a little trial and error, you'll eventually get the hang of it.

There are programs available that will convert midi files to WAV files, however, most will not provide the quality you hear directly from your keyboard's audio output. That is because they do not use the keyboard's tone generator, therefore, the instrument sounds are not the same. This particularly holds true with the "Sweet" sounds that Yamaha has come out with on the 740 and 2000. Those sounds are produced by the by the keyboard's sound card and faithfully reproduced through the keyboard audio output system.

If you have some great midi files that sound outstanding on your keyboard, but only marginal when played on your computer, even a computer with a high quality sound card and great speakers, and you want to make a CD using vocals, Goldwave or a similar program is the best way to go.

Gary
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#135546 - 01/06/03 08:24 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
DonM Offline
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Total Recorder is 2-track only.
PowerTracks Pro is multi-track. It works great is only about $30.
DonM
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#135547 - 01/08/03 01:20 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
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Hello Guys, I have VST 32 or something like its Cubase or something, but its so hard to understand. Im almost given up.
I want to have something like ACid pro where you can play and right away it s recording the entire sound. I like it like that specially if you want to capture an inspiration. I have a Korg Trinity and i30, but I like playing the Trinity to get inspired with the sounds.
I would connect the Trinity to the PC via midi cable.
So I wonder if ACid pro will record all 8 or 16 midi channels at once or not?

any one know?

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#135548 - 01/08/03 02:39 PM Re: Arranger to Computer's Line Input... what program do you use? Midi alternative
rgtaa Offline
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Good Question! I don't know.
I know I wanted something Simple because in the Past all the midi stuff confused me.

So Using the Acid Pro 4 Record WAV function allowed me to take my WHOLE output from My instrument...16 tracks at once with voice and make Left and Right Stereo Channel...

But where Acid PRO 4 is cool ...then I can make as my 3 and additional tracks... MIDI or WAV and keep adding to the orginal track all the WAV or MIDI channels I want!!!!! ... and it has Soft Sythn in it ...

Maybe start a new thread on ACID PRO 4 and Multi-track MIDI recording...so MORE people will look at your NEW THREAD ...

Although you may get lucky with someone POPPING in here and answering!
GOOD LUCK!

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