Last week there were numuerous NEW G70 owners on the SZ......would love to hear how your progressing, thoughts, opinions, experiences so far ?

I'm not one of 'em but if they aren't here either posting complaints or praise I would assume they are doing quite well. People tend to be more outspoken when something is wrong then when something's right. So I am assuming everything is going well with all the new g70 owners.

oh believe me here on the SZ voices will be heard regarding the G70 Pro or Con for sure just you wait and see.....
I'm hoping its All Good which it should be its a fine Arranger!

I'm a new owner, and I do have a few questions:

1. is there a way to change the basic multisample waveforms that are used in the sounds? I see on the Denmark site there is a list of tones (way more than could possibly be used in the on-board ROM sounds), but I don't see in the manual a way to edit sounds to change the basic multisample to one of the other waveforms. The tone edit function doesn't appear to allow for this.

2. is there a way to edit NTA chords after they have been recorded? I would like the ability to be able to insert an extra chord change after the fact (as part of songwriting), but it appears that this capability does not exist. I've read all the posts on the (lack of) a chord sequencer (which is more than I'm seeking to do here), and one post mentioned something called "second track" that I can't find in the manual. But I do have an EM-2000 so I'm familiar with the chord sequencer and do miss it.

Thanks for any help.

No, Roland's Tone editing capabilities are quite rudimentary, simple envelope and filter and LFO adjustments ONLY, and nowhere to store them except in the UPG itself (no Custom Tones, yet. But Richard's Session Manager software allows you to do this on a computer). Roland in the past always used the EXTREMELY well tweaked and EQ'd Sound Canvas derivatives for it's soundset, so they never in the past needed this, much. But now they have a grab-bag of different sounds from different sources (Fantom, Canvas, V-Drums, VK Organs), they still have quite a bit of work to do before you can call up ANY patch and not have to tweak it a bit to sit in the mix as easily as the G1000's did.



Second track was a VA-series feature. No longer in the G-series (must have fallen down the same rabbit hole as the Chord Sequencer!). Roland certainly seem to be going WAY out of their way to deny their arranger users ANY way to use the G-series in any way other than straightforward 'Play and record'. A HUGE step backwards as anyone will tell you that ever used these features...

What I would like to know is, where did Roland do their market research? Is there somewhere on this planet that ONLY has people that either didn't use the Chord sequencer, or tried it and didn't like it? Because EVERY single post I have ever seen from someone that actually used it laments it's loss...

I can't really give a fair comment at this time since my screen was damaged in transit. Some of it's functionality has been lost a direct result of that damage. Despite another phone call to UPS the first damage specialist has not called me back. Once I determine whether they'll pay for damage repair or not I'll then take it to the local Authorized Roland Repair Dealer. Putting in mildly, I Am Not a Happy Camper. Don't misunderstand it has nothing to do not liking the G70.

How can you like a board that doesn't function properly ????? ....
t.

T....its unfortunate that the unit has a display problem....but hopefully & in a timely manor it can be resolved at a service center and then liking the G70 will be an understatement which will turn to love for many years to come!

Hi Donny.

Can you get married to your G70's in America yet, is it legal? I think you can just about get married to anything else over there lol

I really like my G70. Having owned a DisCover5 Orchestrator really helped me understand and work thru the OS quickly. I also had a VR760, so the organ section is second nature.

I'm getting used to the EQ and overall sound of the keyboard and the vocal harmonizer. Even though the mechanics are the same, there are little differences in access and adjustment.

Steve - I think there is a post somewhere here on the SZ about a person who had a dispute with UPS. When they balked at covering the damage, he simply said how he belonged to certain bulletin boards and would gladly post his story on each one. UPS quickly settled the claim.

Ok Tony ya got me. I hate it! JUST KIDDING. I hate the problem I'm having........but the sound is terrific, very live band sounding. The keybed is the best I've ever played on an arranger style board( of course not counting the Clavinova CVP 307). Having 76 keys is a plus, I've always felt like I was jammed in sitting at a 61 keyboard. And if I want to play a piano solo it's a 1 Touch that takes me out of arranger mode and into piano over the entire keyboard. Features I have longed for with Yammie. ( use to set up a reg for 1 touch piano on the T2 )

Cassp, thanks for the heads up on UPS.



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 07-01-2007).]

double post

[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 07-01-2007).]

Boy you UK guys are so jealous eh? I was engaged for a while but broke it off as you know...but, my new relationship is quite good now

btw Craig... I hope all is well near you with this terrible stuff I'm seeing on the news in the UK......I talked to Willie he's close to the airport in Glasgow, everyone is on alert.

Thanks for the reply. I don't understand why Roland sticks 190MB of samples in this machine, but provides no way to access them. That means that, unless a ROM program uses the multisample, we can't get to them (without Richard's Session Manager). There aren't many electric guitar ROM programs, but there are a lot of electric guitar multisamples (more, I'm guessing, than are used by the ROM programs). I would really like to be able to get to those unused multisamples to expand the number of electric guitar tones available. I guess I'll have to try Session Manager.

Richard,
I'm sorry the G70 got damaged. I played it at Hank's house a couple days before it was shipped, and it was perfect. I don't believe it left his house more than once or twice since he bought it from George.
As I sure you know, he even had UPS pack it, and he included a $200. hard case, just to be sure.
I only use UPS if no other option is available as I've had numerous bad experiences with them. On the other hand, Fedex has never let me down.
DonM

I've can attest that Hank has gear packed Super Good....sounds like a case of jostled parcels over the road.....with no damage to the exterior box might be difficult for a claim?

Don will be setting mine up this week and shipping it soon after. Really apprehensive about only 7 pedals after using 13 for so many years, and hate touch screens. I'm looking at this as a "bridge" instrument until the Audia is shipped and all the bugs are worked out.

Probably wouldn't have ordered it if the fact that it had a touch screen had sunk in!
Went to Louisville and saw one yesterday...wasn't all that impressed, initially. I only spent 1/2 hour with it.


We'll see,


Russ

[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 07-02-2007).]

It was packed very well inside a Gator case then packed up at the UPS depot by UPS. UPS must have really tossed it around. I read another post at the Roland Arranger forum where the touch screen on someone's G70 would not respond at all. Turns out there was a loose wire attached to the LCD.

Ric, did you already set the Sound Set Mode in "Extended" into Menu->Utility window?

By realizing that it's dysfunction comes as a result of damage, NOT design...

Have you found the 'Extended' sound selection button? RT*M... (p. 31)

There isn't a single multisample setup that the ROM patches don't use. I have no idea where you are getting your information from, Roland don't publish anything that details the actual multi-samples, just a list of the ROM Tones in the Parameter Reference pamphlet..

And, as anyone that has worked with a Roland arranger for the last, well, at least 15 years knows, you have NEVER had detailed access to the voice editing down to the sample level. Unfortunately (at least for us tweakheadz), probably never will. Roland seem to think that the majority of their users would prefer to just call up a well-tweaked sound and PLAY. From the deafening silence about the lack of detailed editing, they may very well be right...!

However, despite the lack of fine detail editing (and you CAN do quite a lot with the Attack, Decay, Release, LFO and filter controls they do provide), that still doesn't prevent it from being one of the best 'live' sounding arrangers out there. One can always find SOMETHING 'missing' off of just about ANY arranger, but the bottom line is, does it REALLY need it? So far, IMO, I've managed very well with what they provide...

If I want to stare for days at a display tweaking my brains out, I've always got my K2500!

Might be worth a shot to open it up and check the display wiring?

Russ what didnt you like about the G70....?

I shipped a perfect X5D thru FedEx and had to have it returned to me for repair. Before i called FedEx, I checked the inside of the board. It was an unseated sisterboard. 12 screws and 15 minutes later it was fixed. I sent it back to the buyer the same day it arrived.

The morale of the story... FedEx screws up too
AND
...a little inspection can sometimes find an easy-to-fix problem. I say - GO FOR IT!

Diki , I have found the "limited" edits on Roland arrangers more than enough..What else[worthwhile ] do you need to edit?

I have literally never been disappointed , finding a sound I need on any arranger from Roland, at least going back to the G800, that would include my RA800, E-600, VA7,EXR5[briefly], G600, G1000, and G70..heck even my E66, RA95 and RA90 had enough edits for sounds..

I didn't find any additional, real edit value[for me] on my Fantom, XP80, or JV1000 either..and my Triton Studio 76, was a joke..[I know why they call them workstations ]

I will stay with the limited edits capable Roland arrangers..

BTW:, I am enjoying the new sequencer design of the G70...and I really liked the G1000 sequencer (used it over the PC]..but the G70 sequencer will make me forget about the G1000 sequencer.. ..Except for the dang "Chord sequencer"..

Donny, my frame of reference is Ketron. In the limited time I had, I thought that the G-70 sounded better than a Tyros II but was a close second even to my old MS-60. It may grow on me, but right now, my brand of preference is Ketron.

New owners of the distributorship, an SD-1 design that is years old, design problems with the SD-5 and concerns about repair and limited distribution made me re-think this purchase, but I'm pulling big time for the next one.

I have two new Rolands in house, waiting for my third one, and they just don't cut it, in my book.

The jury is out on whether I'll use one (or more) on jobs. We'll see.

(Picky old SOB, ain't I).

Russ

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM96/Roland/PMA-5.html

I'm afraid, as good as the G70 sequencer is, it's no CubaseVST. I still do all my initial sequencing in that, then I'll Makeup Tool for fine touches (drumkit edits, EQ's etc.).

It's a FAR easier workflow. And anyone that thinks that Cakewalk, Sonor, Logic, etc. are equivalents to CubaseVST has never worked with it, much. CubaseVST (even more than the current SX) was the ne plus ultra of MIDI programs (IMO, YMMV, yad yada yada...).

Just the piano roll editor alone makes the G70's look like a toy...

I totally missed that in the manual! There are a TON of electric guitar sounds now. Thanks for the tip!!

I'll tell you something I miss a LOT from the G1000's edit system... There is no way to control the destination depth (amount) of aftertouch, and you have FAR fewer destinations that you used to have. One of my all time favorite things to do with aftertouch is to use it to subtly control the SPEED (rate) of the LFO as well as depth. So, just like a real player, the vibrato gradually gets a little faster as you get more of it. The trick was to slow the vibrato down a little from factory standard, and then use aftertouch to increase it back to just a little faster than factory.

But there is no way to do that any more. Aftertouch has only a few destinations (LFO speed is NOT one of them), and there is NO amount control AT ALL...

Little things like this vastly improved the realism of sax sounds, guitars, woods, almost anything you wanted to add vibrato to...