Hi Squeak,
Actually I do EXACTLY what you described above on my PSR2000.

Btw: how about posting a pic of your Lincoln Town Car. Call me kinky, but I'd really like to see a shot of the spacious sized trunk of your car. I bet you could EASILY fit the Yamaha 9000pro + quite a few other full sized boards (at the same time) as well, and with lots of room to spare, right?

The PSR-2000 allows pitch bending with a pedal??? Wow! That's cool! I didn't know this.. I'm ready to post some pics of the Lincoln.. I just need someone to help me out on that one.. I can get the pics on the computer but don't know how to post them on the forum.. If someone likes I can send them the pics and they can throw them up real quick.., and Scottyee... THAT TRUNK IS HUGE!!!!!!!! I'll take a shot of that so you can see how big it is.. There is soooo much room in that thing..

Squeak

Scott,
see? you have found the solution to your problems: get a Lincoln (...and a 9000 pro)!

Scott, I agree that it is difficult/impossible to use the pitch bend wheel effectively while playing with a style, as both hands are occupied. I do find it of great use in sequencing though -- with practice, it can greatly enhance guitars and wind instruments (though getting it right with the wind instruments is quite a bit more difficult than with the guitar).

I prefer the joystick.

Shiral

The easiest way I find to bring in vibrato for a solo voice is using aftertouch. That way you dont need to take your hands of the keys - just press a little harder. You can also edit voices on some machines to have delay vibrato which would only occur on long notes. I find this quite effective as long as you don't overdo it.

I also use a programmable footswitch for the pitchbend on my Ketron but I prefer the wheel for better control (speed and depth)

I agree that the use of these controls make a far more realistic representation of the accoustic instruments. I don't think it matters which method you use as long as you personally feel comfortable with it. Haven't Roland got some unique "V" controller that you wave your hand about in front of?

Keith

keith,
Roland does have that type of controller, but if you're going to take your hand off the board to wave it about.....then the wheel or stick are the same and with better control than the variphrase.
Terry

Aaaaaahhhh - so that's what variphrase is.
Thanks Terry

Keith

One of the difficulties on an arranger is to use pitch bend or modulation effects with both hands on the keyboard. The only chance I get is in between chord changes when I can quickly take my left hand from the accomp section and do a pre-pull back on the bend wheel. I like the Dynosteel guitar voice on the tyros which has a nice double string twangy bend effect if you strike the key very hard. I also remember on my old yamaha cx5m music computer and keyboard set up that I had a portamento feature called "fingered". You could play a mono lead voice normally but if you played legato it would bend up to the next note, very nice especially on bass tracks.
Rolands stick is nice for synth solos but (a) its too vunerable when transporting the keyboard (b) it doesnt offer much in the way of modulation control especially when trying to bend as well (c) one feels afraid to push it too far incase it snaps off!

I'd like 3 wheels (pitch, mod and assignable), a joystick and definitely a breath controller! It would also be nice to make use of aftertouch in the style area, already the tyros and 2000 features velocity controlled accompaniment level but how about using aftertouch to add more orchestration to the backing or to add a nice whoosh or break? Incidentally how do I trigger that drum solo on the tyros band style, haven't figured that one out yet!
A breath controller (just a simple blow j.. oops just realised what I was going to say!!! :-) Ahem a simple breath controller as they had on the old cs series, wow imagine that with the sweet flute, the sax's... come on yamaha, surely we can come up with a USB breath controller for the tyros!

Simon



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Simon's statement here HIGHLIGHTS the point I was trying to make earlier in this thread, and that is:

"It's IMPOSSIBLE to realisticly emulate a guitar (pedal steel) when playing in arranger kb mode."

The critically important notes that require pitchbending occur 'RIGHT AT' the chord changes, when your left hand is also REQUIRED to play the chord changes. Am I missing something here? Is there a special 3 hand trick some of you guys (DonM and others?) are using to make it work? The only way I'm able to trigger pitch bend at the chord changes, when playing in arranger KB mode, is to assign a foot controller to trigger pitch bend. Unfortunately this is still a poor compromise, as this type of pitch bend is fixed, whereas using the pitch bend wheel, the pitch bend is variable, and the subtle shades of bending are controlable. I HOPE someone can provide a better arranger kb mode guitar pitch bend playing solution. Thanks in advance. - Scott