Or I just missed it?
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&ck=0

you missed it check the link

[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 04-05-2007).]

ViLo,
So what are your thoughts on the new Bose, what are you using now?

Way overpriced for an average system.....
Im not saying its bad..it does a fine job...the PAS didn't serve my total needs, I tried it I performed with it, I sold it, chalk it off as experience....eventually Bose will have to lower the price on this new model IMO....if they want to be successful with this line....but who am I to say eh?

If you click on "Search" and enter the words Bose PAS ( the original name for this speaker system before Bose had to change it to L1 for legal reasons ) you will see many postings discussing it.

2 Mackie C300's and the Peavey 16FX mixer.

NOTHING average about the Bose lineup. It may not be for every taste, but it's definatly upper crust gear!

Ditto!

Gary

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Excactly....to each his own my friends.It just didnt do it for me on stage.
Im glad I experienced one first hand now I have moved on.

Happy Holiday!



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 04-08-2007).]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dnj:
[B] Excactly....to each his own my friends.It just didnt do it for me on stage.
Im glad I experienced one first hand now I have moved on."


DNJ, NOT what you said at the time!
Mine is for sale. I want the new one.
DonM

Yeah, I'm with you Don ..... that new base looks alot easier to fit into tight spaces. If I played full time still, I'd order it today, and keep the old one at home !

Don it takes time to experience gear and give it a good tryout.....Yes in the beginning it was excellent but just like some personal relationships they dwindle with time & as I progressed along thru different venues I started to dislike what the PAS was delivering for me..........
I'm not one to waste time with gear I dont like so I moved on.....& always will thru life it never ends! I've been at this game a very long time

Seems like the skinny on the PAS stuff is, if you need low volumes over a wide area, this is the shiznit.

Otherwise, steer clear. VERY high priced mid-volume PA.

WAY too many people going "'I bought it, but it's for sale'.......

Diki,

I have performed outdoor jobs with the Bose L1 (PAS) at locations where people were scattered over an area more than twice the size of a football field. Never had to turn the volume to half in order to cover the venue. As for folks selling their Bose L1 systems, I only know of one of the approximately 20 individuals that I know personally that sold theirs. The others wouldn't part with them at any cost. The only reason Don is considering selling his is so he can update to a lighter weight base unit--not because he doesn't love the sound quality. BTW: The base unit weight 32 pounds--less than my Logitech subwoofer. The only problem both Don and I have is we're getting older and 32 pounds just seems heavier.

Diki, maybe it's time you took the plunge and tried the system at no risk for 45 days. Then come back to us with YOUR appraisal of what the system can and cannot do. Do this with an open mind and use your keyboard, preamp, etc. I sincerely believe you and your audiences will like what you hear.

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Diki......The PAS primary function design was that of a
"Personal Amplification System" of Monitor of sorts if you will......it was reinvented & evolved for many other uses by musicians to be used efficiently as a quality Mono PA system, which it does well for some with no problem.....Gary is right it must be experienced so people can make their own assessments & decisions if it is right for your needs.....either it is or it isn't tat up to the person using it. There are many choices out their for amplification setups......just choose what your happy with.

If you're under the impression that the Bose stytem is not loud enough, then you have serious hearing damage. A full, rich, efficient sound system that covers trhe largest rooms with clarity and presence is a joy for the performer, as well as the audience.
Granted, some younger audiences, or some older ones with hearing damage may require that ear splitting, harsh sound that many PA's deliver, however, I have never had any client ask for more sound that I could not deliver.

I will admit, that for a 20 yr old crowd, doing lots of modern dance stuff, I may add an additional woofer, but I would still use the single Bose tower. The added, "in your face bass" is all that's required to make the L1 sound as raunchy and over bearing as the huge, heavy boxes on sticks.

Sure, it's all preference...but the proof is in the performance. I can do a living room cocktail party or a football field pep rally with the same, 10 minute setup, and still have room for 5 adults, with luggage, in my car.

Free speech ... freedom of choice. Give'em something worth remembering, and they'll come back. Some take longer to accept change than others. I saw the Bose, and fell hard in an instant. I "heard" it. and stayed down for the count !

For those of us that use the Bose PAS every day, phase cancellation has been a NON-ISSUE! I couldn't hear it, and no one I know of that uses the PAS regularly has ever said anything about phase cancellation. Keep in mind that Scott Yee highly recommends the Motion Sound KP-100 and KP-200, both of which I've found provide the worst sound of any amp I've ever owned. I have a KP-100 for a backup amp that rides in the van all the time--just in case of an emergency. Even after changing the speakers to those recommended by Scott, the KP-100 still sounds just plain awful.

As I said earlier, Bose and Guitar Center, will both allow you to try the system risk free. Try it out. If you and your audiences don't like what you hear take it back for a full refund.

Good luck on whatever system you decide upon,

Gary

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Well, for one thing, I ALWAYS play stereo. That's what the keyboards are designed for, and most phase cancellation issues have more to do with collapsing less than perfect stereo samples to mono than the PA they are played through.

It is INCREDIBLY difficult to get a good stereo piano multi-sample to sound consistent when collapsed to mono. Not only do you have phase problems, but different phase problems for each and every sample in the set. Unfortunately, few arranger manufacturers (if any) provide a matching set of mono samples of their best piano sound, but force you to use inferior, older mono piano sounds. NOT what I bought the keyboard for, exactly!

And yes, unfortunately, I DO play at fairly high volumes to cover a large outdoors area (one of my house gigs), and certainly wouldn't want a PA that spread that volume around consistently! The only thing that keeps my ears from damage is that we set up BEHIND the PA, as do most conventional systems, and use lower volume monitors for ourselves.

I personally think for high volumes, having the PA be the monitors too is a huge disadvantage.

I have a friend that had a PAS system, it's not like I've never heard or used one.... And I thought for low to mid volumes, it was quite good, though a little lacking in the low to mid-low range (he only had one sub). Nice typical Bose clarity at the top, but not warm enough for me....

For the typical OMB, this might be just the ticket, but our main PA often has to deal with a full REAL band at close to concert levels, as well as my duo (and I do have a smaller rig for small parties, just use the JBL SRX top cabs from the main PA, a Mackie sub and small Yamaha self-powered mixer) so unfortunately, the PAS's just don't meet my needs. But they are cool....!

It's interesting that on the ProSoundWeb forums, almost every post knocks the PAS, calling it a scam....
For keyboard info, I trust the guys on Synthzone.
For audio, I am leaning to put more trust in the guys at ProSoundWeb.

Anyone want to attempt to explain the EXTREMELY different viewpoints on this system

It's almost as if each forum has its own culture!!

http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/19909/0/0/0/
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/21434/0/0/0/
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/196216/0/?srch=bose#msg_196216
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/197397/0/?srch=bose#msg_197397
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/202066/0/?srch=bose#msg_202066

And there's more! Just search on the forum there.

In the end the solution is not to listen to what is being said fully BUT to experience it yourself, buy it, try it, & see if it fits YOUR personal musical needs enough to keep it .....other wise return it or sell it. I did & Im glad its behind me now...

Can you compare a bi amped stage system with monitors and a 32 channel board being pushed by 8 or ten crown or qsc amps with a Bose. Well you can compare a moped with a limo but they have different uses.
the limo driver is going to tell you how great the limo is because that is what he is trained in, thats what he knows, sells, and makes a living with. the guy with the moped is going to tell you about how much he saves on gas, how he scoots in and out of traffic, how easy it is to park.
Like Donny says try it! a lot of guys that tried it bought it, use it, love it. Some didn't
A lot of the guys that yell the loudest never used one themselves, never set it up read the directions and gave it a fair shot.
Or they heard an acoustic or some other act use it that either didn't know how it worked or just made it sound bad.
How could you ever make up your mind without trying it.If you try it and don't like then ok you gave it a shot.
Imagine how many people told Edison his light bulb or phonograph wouldn't work because they didn't understand the principal.

Plain and simple the Bose threatens the mystique of the prosound guys, if anyone can sound good then they don't need to hire the prosound guru.

[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 04-12-2007).]

I have a friend with a reggae band using the Bose PAS with 2 sub woofers. They have an acoustic drum kit and electric bass player and the Bose system performs just fine and has no problem keeping up with the live band volume. It's definately capable of delivering a full clear sound throughout the room. Though I'm sure having the 2 sub woofers certainly helps a lot with a live band.