please tell me more about the pitch correction on the
Korg pa800..it costs extra above the harmonizer that is
included? i never saw that anywhere before, and don't know
why that would be true..how much more is it if true?

I'm a pretty good singer, but when i had the Gem Genesys ProS last summer with the harmonizer, I really liked using
the pitch correction, especially when using harmony parts,
and also for fast scat vocals..for just regular singing i found
it something I 'd rather do without.

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Miami Mo

Mike....Keep in mind unlike myself who uses a left hand chord trigger for harmonies.....Dave uses an unorthodox right hand trigger which makes it a bit more difficult & more intricate with chord vocalization changes using the keyboard in real time if the vocalizer unit will allow it vs the normal triad method most are use to.

I have played with both the TC helicon in the Korg PA1XPRO and the harmonizer in the G70/E80. I think the Roland is by far the smoother of the two. I have found that the Yamaha and Korg require me to "eat" the mic in order to not have any anoying slip ups in the vocals and when I use the Roland, I can sing more naturally and not have to worry as much about how close or loud I sing.
There is a demo mode on the Roland with a "pitch correction" demo where you sing the song Amazing Grace and the pitch correction is dead on perfect. It doesn't matter what pitch I sing, the melody is perfect.
In playing midi files, you need to know how important it is to have your melody track (the track the vocal harmony will follow) be as close to how you sing as possible. Another words, if you were typying in text for a midifile and you want the words to scroll while the song plays, you want the words to be slightly ahead of when you need to read them so that you are always able to look ahead a little.
With vocal harmonizer used for pitch correction, you would want the notes to be there if you anticipate your singing and sing the note just a little before or later in the song.
In the world of recording, there are a few really high end software pitch corrections applications out there and there are studios's that higher proffessionals that know just how to use this software to come into the studio and apply the vocal software just right. It's not that easy to do.
My point is that if you want to use pitch correction, the Roland has done a very good job without having to spend lots of time and money to get it just right.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

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[This message has been edited by George Kaye (edited 06-04-2007).]

No Midi file there, thats Dave live singin & playin baby......If Im not wrong it was a Digitech VR rack unit.

George
does that mean that for the pitch correction to work you need to have a midi file with the melody notes? How about if you play the notes for the melody? Is that what they call a vocoder?
So will it follow chord changes like with a style?

[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 06-04-2007).]

I'm afraid that unless you sing your part EXACTLY the way the track's melody is pre-programmed (and the same way every time!), Roland's Auto Pitch feature is useless for how you describe what you want.

The Korg DOES, however, have a 'real' Auto-Tune function....

I use the real Auto-Tune extensively on studio projects (it's hard to find a record nowadays that DOESN'T use it!). It has two modes.. first is a graphical representation of pitch, and drawing tools to change it. Second is the so-called 'Auto' mode, where you either let it correct the voice to the nearest half-step, or have to tell it what key and mode the voice sings in, and it corrects to that scale.

BUT... you'd better not sing any chromatic passing notes in that mode - it will ignore them. And the chromatic retune mode requires you to sing pretty accurately in the first place before it can tune you up more... What happens when it gets it wrong? Horrible warbles, wrong melodies, and if overdone, the Cher 'Believe' effect (probably not what you want to hear in church!).

As a realtime effect, rather than a post trick for the studio, Auto-Tune is not a 'magic bullet'. It requires good technique before it is effective live, and even there you have problems with monitoring. It is VERY strange to hear yourself sing with your chest voice, but then to hear a retuned version in the monitors! Weird chorusing, and slight delay (it takes a few milliseconds to process the audio), it can be quite off-putting.

Take the money that you would waste on an outboard effect, and spend it on a good vocal coach. Probably money better spent that way...!

The Roland's pitch correction does allow you to just play the keyboard and sing and your voice is singing the notes you play in perfect pitch. You only have to select the right part or the left part of the keyboard or hit both to tell the vocal processor where you want it to follow. This way you can still be playing the left hand styles or the right hand sound and using the pitch correction feature. The other choice is the choose which track of the song you wish the pitch correction to work on.
There is also a vocoder mode which works much like auto pitch correction except that it sounds the entire amount of keys you play as vocal pitches and includes your original voice, where the auto pitch correction is only the one note.
There is also a chordal mode where you play chords and have up to 4 voices of harmony plus your original voice.
On the Roland you can adjust the original voice volume, the vocal harmony volume and the digital effects amount all seperately with dedicated knobs.
Something else to explain:
the pitch correction section is part of the "dry" vocal area, so you always sound just like your original voice sound. The vocoder effect is in the vocal harmony section and therefore is an effect and depending on where you play the keyboard, will make your voice sound more electronic than natural (pitch correction).
I hope this is understandable!


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Thanks George!

Awesome George!!! Still a lot of choices, but thanks to you at least they're clear ones!