Hi,
BIAB users, have a look at some of the new functions available in vers 2007.

Real Drums (must be some sort of an Audio loop) reading the blurb, it sounds like it could be pretty amazing.

Apparently it can now pick out chords from an MP3 etc etc

Makes for a pretty interesting read.
http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin_newfeatures.htm

Just waiting to hear back on upgrade pricing for 2006 mega pak users, apparently there may be some sort of a deal that's not listed with the regular upgrades.

So for anyone who's interested, I'll let you know how I go.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki thanx for the info & link

Sounds good, just the mp3 chord feature may be worth the upgrade.

I'd like to hear the demos from the new styles posted at the BIAB web site. They must not be available as yet.

rikkisbears. Thanks for the heads-up on BIAB 2007. I use 2006 regularly and like the solo around melody feature.

I just upgraded from 2005 and is certainly worth the $59 for the real audio drumsets alone.

There are many other features like batch conversion to WMA,MP3, etc, as well as producing chord analysis of audio.

I just started listening to the tutorial video, and one thing is certain. BIAB has entered the big league, in my opinion.

Thanks Rikki.

Bernie

Hi Guys,
I haven't had a chance to run mine yet. I'm still downloading files. ( Close to 24hours so far).
My adsl broadband is so slow and if a link crashes for whatever reason I have to start over for that particular set.

I've actually upgraded my megapak version and there's over 1 gigabyte real drum loops made up into various sets.
Can't wait to try them.

Fortunately I'm nearly getting there, decided to download the video's as well as I want to try & get the most out of it..

Happy to hear your're quite impressed Bernie.

I'll catch up when I'm fully back on line & finally tried it.

Hi Rikki
Get yourself a download manager, (There are plenty of free ones) which will allow you to resume broken downloads and sort out the best speed.
Test your broadband using one of the many free sites in your country to make sure that your broadband is working correctly.
Hope this helps

Bill

From the BIAB Forum:

Matt Finlay made a demo, this is one of his existing BB songs, that he just played using RealDrums. It uses some shots (for the ending for example, Matt uses a shot instead of the typical ending). Anyway, you can hear the RealDrums here, and we are making a page with a number of demos, should be ready by tomorrow.
http://www.catsmeowcafe.com/Music/MP3s/Christmas/holiday.mp3

I may never use midi drums again. The only quirk I found was that #66 Country w/RealDrums,that I ordered separately, did not index properly when selecting Styles with Real Drums only. Eight out of 21 styles could not be found. The work around is to go to "All" and choose them from there. Yes, I rebuilt the style list.

Check this out... a song created both with and without RealDrums:
http://filkertom.livejournal.com/530791.html

Click on "The new iTom song" and then on "using MIDI drums"

Thanks Bill,

I'll have to check into that.
It took me a while to realize my virus protection was actually causing most of my problems. Eventually got it all sorted out & downloaded.
best wishes
rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by abacus:
[B]Hi Rikki
Get yourself a download manager,

Hi Bernie,
may actually be worthwhile checking out the Megapaks . I've got literally 100's of styles.
Biab has some amazing deals.
A while back they brought out 4 new style sets plus a soloist & one other item. These were priced at $29 each ( nearly $180 worth of software) as a deal the whole lot cost me $58.

Naturally by now all that stuff is included in the new 2007 megapak anyway.

I ended up with the upgrade from 2006 megapak to 2007 megapak for $69. It actually included the Real Drums 2.

The real drums are pretty amazing. It appears you can actually do your own & use them.

Even though maybe creating wav files of my sd1 drum styles wouldn't quite count as being "real drums" , some of the sd drum styles would still sound better than the BIAB midi drums, & it would give more style options than currently available.

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernie9:
[B]

Hi Rikki
I am having a lot of fun matching RealDrum styles to my other styles, including older Megapak.

Hi Bernie,
didn't realize you had an earlier megapak.
Styles coming out of our ears ( haahaa).

Don't they make such a huge difference. I've only been listening to the demo's via the vsc3 dxi , be fascinating to hear what they would sound like via one of the better sample players.

best wishes
rikki

I am using the Soundblaster X-FI, and have been notified the SD2 is ready to ship. The X-FI is on my main PC,and the SD2 will hopefully replace my old Echo pcmcia card on my new laptop.

I then must find time to get back to my Receptor and the softsynth world before my trusty KN7000 goes down.

It is nice to have colleague with the same interests.
Best wishes
Bernie

BAIB is about the best software support available, they also have a good forum that gives quick answers to questions.
I have been using BIAB from the early ATARI days and the product has progressed to today standards.

Hi Graham,
me too. I first bought it for my atari.
Must admit I never really used it all that much, but it was handy to have.Fascinated by the progress over the years.

It was vers 2006, that I really took an interest in it again, now 2007 's real drums, truly amazing the difference.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Rikki and others,
do you know where one can find a list of the styles (or at least the musical genres) that use the new Real Drums? Also, can one build up one's real drums using stereo samples vs. just mono?
Thanks in advance.

Hi Dreamer

I counted 126 Real Drums in my initial upgrade. They are a mix of everything except hip hop,funk, rap,etc.
http://www.pgmusic.com/

A nice assortment.I think.

Bernie

Thanks, Bernie; are there also "Bossa Brush" styles?

Hi Dreamer,
hopefully this link will work, gives a listing of the drums. http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=116302&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD

I was glad I found it as, I hadn't realized till then that I didn't receive a complete megapak download. ie my drums 3 & soundtrack fakebook was not included in my download links.

The download is made up of over a dozen seperate items, so anyone considering buying , just make sure they've given you a complete set of links to whatever package you purchase.

They've probably been run off their feet. haahaa.
best wishes
Rikki

Hi Rikki!
I have placed today an order for BIAB 2007 with the MegaPAK (actually the 25 Bonus PAK) and have already downloaded my files, waiting for the CDs to arrive with the snail mail (actually UPS).
Can't believe how authentic those brush styles sound!
Thanks a lot for alerting us to this one, which sounds like the best BIAB upgrade ever!

Hi Deamer,
just double check the "drums" folders
after you've got biab up & running. I only ordered the basic mega pak, though now I wish I'd ordered the 25pak, mainly because it has the additional drums.

Personally I'm missing some things so
I sent them the following email,
1. I am missing Soundtrack 2 Fake Book.

2. Just realized I didn't get a link for Real Drums 3.

3. Missing Country Even 8 Drums( have folder & notes but no drum files.

4. Missing Reggae Drum files 120,160,180( have notes & folder only) Yet I have the other 3 complete.

Be interested to know if you get all the above ok, & whether it was just my download. The downloads are so huge.

No doubt they'll get back to me fairly soon, they're usually great with their customer service.

The brush styles are brilliant aren't they.
Gives BIAB styles a whole different sound.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dreamer:
[B]

Hi Rikki,
I just checked some of the drum waves in Soundforge and... they are stereo! Since it's possibile to make one's own styles, this means that you can load stereo drums or percussion samples from one of the many CDs commercially available! Great news indeed and let's hope that the arranger manufacturers will implement more and more this feature, that adds so much to the realism of a style.

Hi Dreamer,
I know you asked the question, never occurred to me to check it thru soundforge.
I have an old copy floating around that came with my acid 4 software. Must try loading it in to my laptop. I've never actually gotten round to using it. At least I may have finally found a use for it.

I actually bought a Drums on Demand CD last year ( jazz brushes, of all things) to try & create loops for my sd1. The drums on my sd1+ are pretty good anyway so I never persevered. The one cd cost me more than my biab megapak upgrade, so talk about value for money.

Hopefully pg music keeps bringing more & more of them out.

What are you using as a soundsource?
So far I've tried it with the VSC3 dxi, soundfonts, & the sd1.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki,
I too have the Drums on Demand CDs and agree that, by comparison, BIAB is a real bargain; however, the DoD loops are really good and I am thinking to use them to create my own BIAB "Real Drums".
Speaking of sound sources, in the past I never worried about them and have always used the PC soundcard (Creative Audigy Platinum). However, the Real Drums are so good that for the first time I feel the need of more sounds of the same quality. My choices presently are: either one of my modules (Yamaha Motif ES rack, Fantom XR, Ketron Midjay) or hook the PC directly to my Tyros 2. I assume that BIAB will send the correct program change numbers for every style and they should call the appropriate sounds within the GM bank: am I correct?
However, I don't think that I will need more than a bass and maybe a rhytm guitar. In fact, when using a style, I am always afraid to use too many rhytm tracks, for fear of sounding canned, so I tend to keep the base to a minimum.
Ciao!

I have BIAB 2006 and it's great for creating lead sheets. Since I use a Tyros2 with the lead sheets, and then sometimes export styles to the Tyros, I wonder how I can use the Real Drums on the Tyros? I guess it's not possible.

I see the upgrade from 2006 to 2007 is only $49 bucks and that's a great deal.

Al

Al
the basic upgrade is 49 §, but if you want all the Real Drums you need the 25-PAK upgrade (you get also a few bonus RD styles, aside from volumes 1-3, with it). If you want to know which styles are within which volume, follow the link Rikki gave earlier in this same thread.
Speaking of Real Drums and Tyros 2, I think that our best option could be synchronize (via midi) the T2 and the PC (using the PC as a master and T2 as a slave, or vice-versa); you could then play the BIAB song (with the Real Drums) from the computer and use the T2 as a sound module, for the remaining style tracks. This would free your left hand from the task of playing only notes that the arranger can recognize to identify the chords and use a more pianistic approach, i.e. comping at will or playing arpeggios, etc.

Just an idea...

Hi Dreamer,
I've been considering ( when I get the time) to give it a go too ( DOD loop to BIAB). I've only got the one CD , so if the styles are different enough to the BIAB ones
it may be worth the effort.

Whatever soundsource you choose shouldn't be too big a problem , especially since you don't have to edit drums.

Creating your own custom sound setup isn't difficult. You can get access to higher banks & everything.

I was fiddling with it a while back in 2006 version. Off the top of my head I can't quite remember what I did, but it certainly wasn't difficult, apart from which you may find a setup in BIAB that suits perfectly anyway.


best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dreamer:
[B]Rikki,
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[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 12-05-2006).]

Ahh, syncing the BIAB midi with the T2 would work, but then I have to bring a laptop with me. I wonder if I load those BIAB Real Drum samples into the Tyros 2, then run a BIAB Style on the T2 if it would load the samples and play them? I wish I had more time to play around with this kind of stuff. It sounds like fun to try.

Hi,
unfortunately I think you could have sync problems.
My Ketron SD1+ is able to load drum wav loop & keep in sync with a style, ie create sd pattern from biad style, etc etc I don't think the T2 has an actual sync option for it's wav files??

best wishes
rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kbrkr:
[B] I wonder if I load those BIAB Real Drum samples into the Tyros 2, then run a BIAB Style on the T2 if it would load the samples and play them?

Another cool feature of the BIAB Real Drums is that they adapt to different tempos without losing the pitch; as far as I know this feature is shared only by two arrangers: the SD1 and the PA1X-pro (I think that the PA 800 can play loops in sync with a style as well, but am not sure about the time- stretching feature). The difference is that the SD1 will accept only mono loops, while the PA1X-pro will read also stereo loops. So, Al, I think that your best option could be to get another Korg...

Hi Dreamer,
your Midjay can't do it?? or do the loops only work with midifiles in the midjay?.

best wishes
rikki
p.s. I managed to upgrade to the 25 pak too. They just charged me the extra $25 & I've now got all the drum wavs too, plus a heap of extra software.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dreamer:
[B]Another cool feature of the BIAB Real Drums is that they adapt to different tempos without losing the pitch; as far as I know this feature is shared only by two arrangers:

Rikki,
sorry: you are right! I was not thinking of the Midjay (and all the other Ketron arrangers) because to me the SD1 summed them all.
I am really glad that you now have the 25 PAK as well: it's really worth the while and I just hope that we don't have to wait six months for a new upgrade with more Real Drums!
Ciao!
A.