PA800

Mediastaion X 76 Pro



How about you?

.....& probably a few I dont even know or havnt been built yet!

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-08-2006).]

None! I'm still discovering new things within the PSR-3000 that continue to amaze me. When I run out of things to discover, maybe I'll begin looking at something newer.

Cheers,

Gary

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The grass is still very green on my side of the fence. Which is where I will continue to play my Yamaha Tyros 2. It has so many amazing capabilities that its safe to say that I have not even began to scratch the surface. I look forward to many happy days and years of enjoying the incredible sound of the Tyros 2. It does not appear that anything is on the horizon to cause me any more excitement than what I already have, with the one exception of future upgrades to the Tyros 2 operating system.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

I like try to post some funny here for what is happen some days ago....
Then tell me you there if this type of story can be happen with the embedded keyboards too OR you have to waiting a new T3-T4-T5.. How MUCH money you will lose every time? PS Softsynth are the future, you know well there..

the story begann in this way: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150047762503&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

My FIST preserie Mediastation I sold in the USA 3 years ago, with the OS Beta 0.2, Linux RedHat 8...really a OLD OS we know.

then somenoe had RISK to buy it in this status that seem the Audio outs was not working.
They had registered in our new web Store and download the last ISO OS 1.2: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/msiso-12-p-124.html

Here is the result after installing the new OS 1.2 and the OLD Mediastation BORN again like the New production:

Hi Domenik,

Thank you very much for the update.

Yes, over the weekend we successfully installed the new OS v1.2. All I can
say is WOW - you guys have created a truly amazing and versatile product. It
seems very stable, extremely quick and responsive, and still provides all of
the standard advantages of running debian.

With your permission, I would like to list Lionstracs as a Steeprock Media
partner (www.steeprockmedia.com) in order to advertise the fact that we are
using the X-76 for commercial media production.

While we're not able to upgrade at this time, we are also interested in
purchasing a MS X-88 Pro in the future. Until then, we are eagerly looking
forward to hearing the GIGA Soundbank4300 V3 once it's ready for download.
Please let me know when it is available.

Best,
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Dr. xxxxxxx, President
Steeprock Media, Inc. www.steeprockmedia.com

I'd like to try that new PSR-S 500. Seems a good upgrade to my DGX-305. Will have lot of fun trying all those PSR and Tyros styles.

Regards.
George

Yeah Dennis, Yamaha is probably working on enhancements for it as we speak. Not.
The T2 is a wonderful instrument, with almost limitless capabilites, but you'd better plan to tweak it yourself if it needs tweaking. Yammy is not famous for supporting arrangers after they sell them.
I'm a long time Yamaha user, but I am impressed with Roland, Korg and Ketron because they DO seem to keep trying to make their products better, even years after they debut.
Of course, some of this may be because they release them before they are ready!
I'm looking forward to trying a Korg PA800.
If the G70 or E80 weighed even 10 pounds less, I wouldn't look so hard.
Eventually Ketron will bring another flagship to market. I'll bet it will be a killer!
Only contender I've never tried recently is a GEM, and I must add that Dave McMahan offered to send me one to try, but again, the weight rules it out for me. Dave's support alone would make it a good option!
Maybe they will develop a lighter weight model, because they are also good about continuing support.
DonM

The only two keyboards I am looking forward to trying out..are the Roland E-80 and the Media Station Pro..

I can't wait to hear the new GM wavetable[VST]..on the MS..

I am looking forward to the new, 76 note T3......

I don't need to look forward to a new G-series Roland, because about once a year they come out with a new OS that adds significant new features..... it's like getting a new arranger for free....!

When Korg update the PAX line with PA800 engine and Oasys samples, I might take a listen there.....

I currently have a Korg PA1XPRO that I like very much but I just don�t want to haul it to gigs anymore (due to age and related physical limitations). I was about ready to sell it to buy AJ�s PSR 3000; I went to Sam Ash, again, to demo the 3K and was still disappointed with its styles � sounded contrived and not very alive. The weight issue rules out the top Roland boards, for me at least. So, along with Donny, I want to check out the Korg PA 800. It seems to have many of the PRO features without the extra weight. I feel that the Korg styles are more �alive� than the Yammies� although some of the Korg intros and endings are kind of hokey.
Ciao,
Jerry

The SD-5!

Russ

I'm with Gary. The 3000 has plenty to keep me busy, always learning something new. Of course my newer must be better thinking has me interested in the PA800. If Yammie released a PSR 3000 replacement with 76 keys I'd have to have one yesterday



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The E series if they ever appear

I'm looking forward to playing the successor to the PSR3000 next summer! Should be a winner!

Tim

The Korg PA 800, the Ketron SD5 and the replacement of the PSR 3000.

A keyboard that's new on the outside AND inside.

A keyboard that will have constant updates, upgrades and free new voices and styles.

A keyboard that won't be outdated when a newer model appears.

A keyboard from a manufacturer that actually cares about customers, where customers' opinions are valued.

Wersi, Lionstracs, and Korg are all producing instruments that meet most of your requirements. They all are software updateable, have great sounds, and aren't likely to be outdated around the corner. It's impossible to have a keyboard that is truly a vanguard product as these systems are designed years in advance to their release so technology will always be a bit behind in keyboard design. These instruments do represent the pinnacle as to what is available right now.

Korg is taking great strides to keep the Oasys software as up to date as possible. Lionstracs is also continually updating software and adding new features and bug fixes. Wersi isn't as quick to release software updates as they would much rather do one large update than release several smaller updates that may be buggy. I agree with that philosophy but it does make for longer periods before updates are available.

So far all three companies seem to listen to their end users and incorporate needed fixes and features in future OS updates. From personal experience I can tell you that Wersi's software is far more stable and bug free than either Lionstracs or the Korgs Oasys. I attest that to the fact Wersi only releases updates that they feel are relatively free of bugs and that Wersi were at the forefront of Open Ended Software instruments.

The main thing to consider is that these three companies do listen to their customers from what I've seen. The same can't be said for my past experiences with Yamaha. If Yamaha made the most advanced open ended keyboard to date with an upgradeable OS I'd run as far away as I could from it. Why you ask? Because their lack of support for OS on their other instruments was appalling. Of course YMMV greatly from mine.

Quote: "A keyboard that won't be outdated when a newer model appears."

Huh.......? Not much point bringing out a new model if it DOESN'T outdate the older one......

Even Mediastation, as newer hardware processors and newer OS's become available, will have to leave their older designs behind. You can't run Windows XP on older CPU's, and you won't be able to run whatever is the NEXT state of the art OS on current CPU's. That's just the nature of progress.

Or we could all go back to our Ataris (I've still got mine!)

The mediastation, Wersi and the module versions for the T2, G70 and PA800

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diki:
[B]Quote: "A keyboard that won't be outdated when a newer model appears."

Huh.......? Not much point bringing out a new model if it DOESN'T outdate the older one......

Even Mediastation, as newer hardware processors and newer OS's become available, will have to leave their older designs behind. You can't run Windows XP on older CPU's, and you won't be able to run whatever is the NEXT state of the art OS on current CPU's. That's just the nature of progress.

Or we could all go back

That's a tongue-in-the-cheek quote and not meant to be taken literally although those that can read between the lines might get my point.

Hello Dikki
Please remember that it is easy and relatively cheap to upgrade a computer Motherboard, CPU and Memory, consequently no mater what OS or software comes out you will be able to use it, even if it requires a hardware update. (It is also considerably cheaper then changing the entire board)
As an example;
The first Wersi OAS instruments ran on Windows 98 and OAS 2, the hardware consisted of a 533MHz Celeron CPU, 128Mb of PC133 Ram and an 8.4 GB 5400 RPM IDE Hard Drive.
The latest instruments run on Windows XP and OAS 7, the hardware consisting of a 3 GHz CPU, 1 GB of DDR Ram and an 80 GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive.
As you can see from the above, there is no way that Windows XP and OAS 7 would run on the early instruments, however because they are just a PC it is easy to change the hardware to the latest Spec, and consequently you can have the very latest instrument.
Enjoy whatever you play

Bill


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I just wanna try my stated choices right now to fill my curiosity urges......I'll agree the 3k is still phenomenal for gigs....I have a wait and see attitude for the future..I still have a bad taste in my mouth on some of my previous KB adventures....I guess we'll see what is around the corner wont we ?
Gary thanx for all your help .



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-05-2006).]

Roland E-80 and stuff,
Korg Pa800, pa1xpro,
FAIRLIGHT !!!!
KORG OASYS,
KORG TRITON STUDIO,
KURZWEIL,
ENSONIQ,
old analog SYNTHESIZERS like moog... w
ell-known Pianos like Bosendorfer...

I am still enjoying my PSR3000, but would be interested in the Yamaha PSR3100, if it has 76 keys and SA voices.
It is no longer easy to predict what Yamaha would do. They seem to be competing against themselves, since competing against the competion would not be much of a challenge for them. (hope I don't start a war with that statement).
Starkeeper

Yamaha have yet to port their SA voice technology to even their top-of-the-line workstation series. I would be surprised (but pleased) to see it trickle down to their mid-line arrangers first.....

The truth is, the triggering concept for the legato/staccato ability of SA voices has been around since the Hammond B3, with the use of polyphonic single trigger voices in the 'percussion' section. It has taken decades for synth manufacturers to realize the value of being able to phrase a line without being limited to monophonic synth sounds.

One can only hope that this is the start of a whole new direction of sound generation, one that finally allows sampled sounds some of the flexibility that real instruments have.....

Hello Dikki
You are quite correct as usual in the Solo/Legato modes.
However it was reintroduced in sampled instruments in the 80s by Akai sample producers who realised that by controlling the sound layers by the keyboard (Instead of a single voice, a mixture was added to make up the solo voice) allowed them to produce the effects required.
When the large VST sample sets became available in the early part of the 21st century, scripts were added to achieve the same job, this scripting combined with the amount of samples used in a single voice means that although the Yamaha SA voices are good, they pale in comparison to VST instruments.
As most professionals engineers (And also musicians) use these VSTs for music production, there has been little need for a hardware board to do the same job.
The only reason Yamaha introduced it on there arranger boards, is because they are aimed squarely at the home market, (Where competition is fierce) where a lot of people require a more simple approach, and so by providing this facility Yamaha guarantee massive sales.
Enjoy whatever you play

Bill

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 12-22-2006).]

Abacus....... I am afraid I don't believe I have ever come across an Akai product that is capable of the single trigger, polyphonic voice system that is necessary to achieve the Hammond percussion/legato-staccato effect by playing it. Sure, you can paint transients in with a sequencer, but to perform it live, you have to have a voice priority scheme that has virtually never appeared in a synth.

Here's the skinny...... you need something that is akin to monophonic mode, where the voice envelopes (actually, the voice itself) doesn't re-trigger until you release ALL the keys, but is still polyphonic, so you can play chords.

This is what happens with the Hammond B3's percussion section, albeit with a different electro-mechanical method. But the results are the same. And, for B3 lovers, the ability to be able to phrase and emphasize licks with careful use of legato/staccato technique, to bring in the percussion exactly where YOU want it, and not where you don't, is integral to the whole playing experience. Look at the lengths owners of pre-percussion Hammond owners go to to add this humble feature.....

Now, to my recollection (and I've been hunting this voice allocation scheme since the Minimoog days) no synth or sampler has ever chosen to support this, despite the obvious advantages, especially to sampled sounds.

Let's examine the case of a nice, legato sax sample.... Obviously, despite the fact that this is what we are usually stuck with, no-one wants to use a tongued sample for a legato line, but no-one wants to use a legato sample for a tongued note. How do you get both in the same line? A tongued note at the start of the phrase, and legato notes until you WANT to tongue again?

I believe how Yamaha have achieved this is to tell the voice engine 'first note, play tongued sample, then play legato samples until you see all notes lifted, then play tongued sample again'..... The genius of this is that it doesn't have to be a monophonic sound, so you can achieve real phrasing even on section playing, as Yamaha have done with the String SA voices as well as wind and brass.

For anyone used to phrasing a B3 correctly, getting a good performance from the SA voices must be a snap. For the rest, start paying REAL close attention to your legato/staccato phrasing..... and practice, practice, practice.....

Now, Abacus, if you know of ANY sampler that allows this triggering system, please tell me (I am not interested in GIGA software solutions, it has to be realtime hardware-based), as I have been searching forever.....

Now all I have to do is wait until Yamaha port the technology over to their workstation line, and get a module to go with my G70 (or the rapture arrives and Yamaha release a 76 note Tyros3!).......

OK I'lll bite what is the S900 ?

Hello Dikki
When you purchase an Akai sample disc, it contains samples of all parts of the instrument, (As usual you get what you pay for) and then you layer the different voices together to achieve the effect you require, for instance; layer 1 legato saxophone, layer 2 the tongued sample, (Choosing the version that will not play again until all notes are released) mix the 2 together with the correct volumes and store in a performance preset, and there you have your voice.
I have not tried this on any of the hardware workstations, but most include these samples (Just not as many and normally of lesser quality) so it should be possible.
In fact I remember when Wersi first introduced there digital organs in 1984, they had a 2 part voice system (In addition to the layering) which gave this type of effect. (Although due to the 8 bit sampling and limited memory in those days, you did not get the effect you can get on modern boards)
Enjoy whatever you play

Bill

No, you still don't quite get it, abacus..... this isn't at all like having tongued and legato sounds layered, with a velocity cross switch or controller to cross them over.

That is what makes the T2 so unique.... it can do all that in realtime by using your phrasing, NOT how hard you play. Horn players can tongue hard at very quiet volumes and play smoothly VERY LOUD...... it's what makes velocity-switched saxes so fake. You can do some very convincing things with breath controllers, and foot controllers, and aftertouch, but they are all counter-intuitive to play..... Using your own natural phrasing to make the samples change for you is exactly what the Hammond percussion does, and what makes the potential of Yamaha's SA technology so breakthrough. It is VERY playable. No need to learn new techniques or body coordination tricks. Just play and phrase naturally (like a horn player), and the samples play and phrase for you. Brilliant.....!

The successor to the Motif ES. I bet you anything it will have super articulated voices!

Hello Dikki
You have misread my post, the tongue effect is monophonic, and the sax sound is polyphonic, therefore just like in a Hammond B3 the tongue effect will not retrigger until all notes are released, consequently you can play with natural phrasing just like you can with SA voices. (This is the difference between cheap sample discs and more professional discs, the cheaper discs do not have all the effects sampled)
Hope this helps

Bill

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So the cats out of the bag?

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Ian, please tell us 76 keys on the 3000s replacement

Little by little the tings get uncovered. Next month we should know the number of keys and so on. My bet is on 61

George,

I have a feeling you are right.

Ian

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I'm not sure the "S" series of keyboards is a replacement for the PSR series. The S-500 has been out for about a month in some areas, and from the specifications it appears to be significantly different from the high-end PSR series. I'll try to dig up more information from my sources during the next few days. A few weeks ago I posted some information about the S-500, but for the life of me I cannot remember exactly where. Oh well! My wife told me the mind was the second thing to go. Hmmmm!

Cheers,

Gary

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Gary, try this: http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/014385.html

You're right it is not a high-end. However, the S 500 is loaded with much more Sweet Cool and Live voices than the PSR 1500. It is offered as a replacement of PSR 1100.

Regards,
George

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 12-22-2006).]

Is it my imagination? It looks like a Roland EXR series keyboard.
If the S900 doesn't have 76 keys, then I won't be kicking myself for buying the PSR3000.
Starkeeper

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No 76 keys Roland E60 or G70 here I come.

Personally, I'm looking forward to getting approximately the power of a Tyros2 for considerably less cash and it will probably be lighter and have the onboard speakers which I love.

It would be nice to see a few E-60/G-70 purchases...Roland could use the business.

Ian

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Maybe you'd be better of with a hot-air balloon.

Just need someone to blow it up.

Offers?

Ian

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