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#150020 - 02/01/04 01:21 AM Sax on the 2000
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I've noticed on my new projects I tend to steer away from the sax... The last CD I did the most complaints I had were that the sax sounded to fake.... Anyone else got that feedback?
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#150021 - 02/01/04 06:16 AM Re: Sax on the 2000
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The best way to get "close" to the real sound of a sax is to master the use of pitch bend and vobrato. You HAVE to use the wheels to get that added expression ...... it's a whole other aspect of the instrument that is not included in the timbre itself.
I agree ... it's one of the most difficult instruments to capture on a keyboard. Guitar is a very close second.
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#150022 - 02/01/04 07:36 AM Re: Sax on the 2000
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Registered: 12/08/02
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DJ,
Gotta' agree with Dave--You should use the pitch bend to tweak this one. However, the sweet tenor sax on the 2000 is probably the best I've ever heard on any keyboard, and the growl sax is exceptional. Will Stewart uses the sweet saprano sax a lot and his midi files are second to none. In my case, everyone says the sweet tenor sax sounds so realistic that if they close their eyes during a perfmance they would never know the sound was coming from a keyboard.

Cheers,

Gary
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#150023 - 02/01/04 08:50 AM Re: Sax on the 2000
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Sax is a very difficult instrument to emulate and capture on a keyboard DJ. Using and mastering the pitch and mod wheels helps, but your always going to be at a disadvantage trying to emulate a sax with keys. The samples themselves may sound brilliant, ( and the ones on the 2000 are rather good ) but without some midi controller work and filters, it's tough to do. A trained ear will always be able to tell the difference between a midi sax and a real one.

Physical modeling and the use of a breathe controller, done right, can get you very close DJ. I saw a kb player use it during an Eric Clapton concert , and, at least in a live setup, it sounded like the real thing.

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#150024 - 02/01/04 09:00 AM Re: Sax on the 2000
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The best keyboard SAX to my ears is the Korg PAX1.

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#150025 - 02/01/04 01:29 PM Re: Sax on the 2000
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Registered: 06/25/99
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"There's a few left in New Orleans but none of you have been there."

That's not exactly true. Some of us have been there. And I've played with Ace Cannon, who ain't bad.

And besides, we don't have to "fool" sax players, we are entertaining the audience.
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#150026 - 02/01/04 02:25 PM Re: Sax on the 2000
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There will always be certain aspects of playing an instrument live that are difficult, if not impossible, to duplicate on a keyboard. But we just do the best we can. The good side is - I don't have to pay a drummer, or bass player or (sorry Boo) sax man!
Now to get back on topic. Who will win the Superbowl? More important, will N.E. win by more than seven? I'm betting they will. . . But not much.
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#150027 - 02/01/04 04:31 PM Re: Sax on the 2000
Benno Kattenat Offline
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Registered: 05/08/00
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Loc: qualicum beachBC Canada
DON ,that was nice saxsound on yourCD i got from you that you did on your 9000 PRO, it came out allright,best regards keep it going man, BENNO
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#150028 - 02/01/04 05:25 PM Re: Sax on the 2000
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Benno, Thanks, but it was from the PSR2000.
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#150029 - 02/01/04 05:28 PM Re: Sax on the 2000
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Registered: 12/08/02
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"All the sax players died 25 or 30 years ago when ya'll started soloing." Ladies and gentlemen, lets all now bow our heads for a moment of silence. While you were not looking, Boo apparently passed away. We'll miss you Boo baby!

Been to New Orleans a half dozen times when I was a lot younger, and yes they had lots of great sax players then, and some who were really bad. As Don said, "we don't have to "fool" sax players, we are entertaining the audience."

Cheers,

Gary
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