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#152281 - 03/12/03 11:26 AM
Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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In my continuing search for a small lightweight 2 speaker (stereo) 'onstage keyboard spot monitoring' setup, here are two more interesting possibilities I recently discovered: Carvin PM5 Spot Monitor: http://www.carvin.com/cgi-bin/Isearch.exe?CFG=2&P2=PM5-B&P1=MON In addition to acting as on stage personal reference monitors, they might also be sufficient enough to act as the sole sound source for small venues. They only weigh 5 lbs each, yet its power capacity is 125 Watts per speaker (5" woofer) to provide plenty of volume. These are passive speakers though and require a separate power amp such as the Carvin DCM150 (9 lbs) to drive them: http://www.carvin.com/cgi-bin/Isearch.exe?CFG=2&P2=DCM150&P1=PWA Weight of total Carvin package (amp & 2 speakers)is ONLY 20 lbs. Carvin offers the speaker/amp as a combo package: http://www.carvin.com/cgi-bin/Isearch.exe?CFG=2&P2=P5-150-2&P1=SYS3 A lighter weight (16 lb total package) but considerably less powerful (20 watts/speaker) option would be to get a pair of Yamaha MS202II's. The MS202II's are self powered, and includes two 4" woofers per speaker: http://yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA /Content...G%253DY,00.html Interested in getting feedback, comments, and recommendations regarding these two personal on stage stereo monitoring PA options. Also, how do they compare (soundwise) to the Galaxy Audio PA options: http://www.galaxyaudio.com/galaxy/galaxyPRODUCTS.html#COMPACT%20PA%20SYSTEMS I had also considered the JBL G2 10" Eons, but that setup (24 lbs/speaker: 48 lb total) is quite a bit heavier & larger than the other above options, and probably more than needed for stereo spot monitoring. Though the Tyros (TRS-MS01) Speakers (satellites & subwoofer) is working ok, I'm still looking for another stereo monitoring option: one that doesn't require a subwoofer, and one which will provide more sound volume output than the Tyros (TRS-MS01) offers. Feedback, comments, and experience with the above appreciated. Scott [This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 03-12-2003).]
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#152288 - 03/12/03 06:35 PM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Rattley,
I always use the 2000 speakers as an in your face monitor, which I find better than packing another piece of equipment around, mainly a 30-pound monitor. I always keep the volume low enough so I can hear what's coming from the main speakers, but loud enough to clearly monitor what I'm playing. The lack of built-in speakers is probably the only thing that currently prevents me from buying a Tyros. Everything, other than the lack of speakers, that I've heard on three forums is quite positive.
Cheers,
Gary
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#152290 - 03/12/03 07:33 PM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 01/27/01
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Scott, maybe you should wait until you get the Motion Sound KP100S. I just spoke with their technical support, and the man, Joan (I think), told me that the KP100S makes a great monitor when it is set up 3 feet behind the musician and propped up two feet. He told me that the system spreads the sound around 180 degrees and sounds fantastic. I asked him about the bass response, and he told me that the speakers are rated to go as low as 50htz. He told me that two 8" speakers have the same surface area and thus the same depth as one 12" speaker.
But when I asked him about this replacing my JBL Eon10 G2, he cautioned me that the JBL speaker is very efficient and high quality, and that the two 8" speakers might and might not be able to get the same depth and volume. He told me that if I needed more punch I could replace the speakers that come with the amp, but that the amp was more than adequate for small clubs.
I am using a keyboard with built-in speakers, so I don't need the KP-100S as a monitor.
I'm going to get a subwoofer for the KP-100S, so if I'm playing for a larger room I can always have enough bass.
Good luck
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#152295 - 03/12/03 09:56 PM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 1790
Loc: Medina, OH, USA
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Scott... A pair of PM5s should work OK for a very small > 30 venue... again, minus bottom end (for me, a big sacrifice and I would only use for a small nursing home gig), but great for monitors. They cover vocal range very well. I've never used them for keyboard only, but PA monitors for myself and vocalists, run thru the Carvin PA1200. However, they would produce significantly better than the XD9 speakers. I'd A-B them for you, but I'm in sunny Fla for March. Again, for the price, weight, and quality it's hard to go wrong. Originally posted by Scottyee: Glenn: I hope they'll sound good 'by themselves' for very small venue situations (small rooms of under 30 people) performing & singing acoustic jazz & pop. What do you think? How do you compare the sound coming from the PM5's vs going thru the XD9's internal speakers? Do the PM5's produce substantially better sound or?
Also, what brand/model power amp (and # of watts output @8 ohms per channel) are you using to drive your PM5's? How well do the PM5's handle vocals?
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#152301 - 03/13/03 10:19 AM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 12/03/99
Posts: 732
Loc: Phoenix, AZ USA
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Scott,
I have never looked into vocal monitoring, but I do not see what going with Carvins is buying you:
- The 5" speakers will NEVER handle bass at any significant volume - this is a major drawback to me (and I think to most arranger players, who have to hear the lows of the accompaniment to keep pace, or at least I do). In fact, the specs don't say if the 86 Hz is a 3 dB, 10 dB, or "Usable" frequency.
- The amplifier puts out only 50 watts per side in stereo. This is not so much.
- You end up having to carry three pieces - the two speakers and an amplifier. I could understand if you wanted to use small powered speakers, e.g. Galaxy Hot Spot (also not much bass but built in amp) not requiring a power amp, but unpowered speakers???
You might as well stay with the Tyros speakers - also three pieces, predictable frequency response, no problem mounting, and you already have them. I have my MS50s, similar to the Tyros speakers, and the only thing I don't like about them is that they are white, not black.
Regards
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#152302 - 03/13/03 11:30 AM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Originally posted by Alex K: the specs don't say if the 86 Hz is a 3 dB, 10 dB, or "Usable" frequency. note: although the description says: 'you get the full audio spectrum from 86 to 19.5 kHz, the official techical spec sheet states: 75 Hz to 19.5 kHz, plus or minus 3db. Originally posted by Alex K: The amplifier puts out only 50 watts per side in stereo. This is not so much. 50 watts per channel is still more than double the output currently going to my Tyros satellite speakers: 20 watts per channel. Won't the PM5's with 50 watts going into them provide at least TWICE the volume? I was just hoping the PM5's would solve my biggest complaint about the Tyros satellite speakers: insufficeint volume output, and unimpressive mid range sound reproduction. The BIG problem I find with the Tyros Speakers (and small satellite speakers which rely on a sub woofer in general), is that though high and low frequencies sound impressive, the mid-low frequencies seem to be lacking. I PREFER hearing a SMOOTHER frequency response across the entire spectrum, even if it means sacrificing (a little) the lower bass. Even though the PM5's have only 5-1/4" woofers, it's woofer size is actually over a 1/2 inch larger than the built in woofers on my Yamaha PSR2000. I think the PSR2000's built in speakers actually sound pretty decent (with adequate bass) for stage monitoring purposes. The Carvin Tech Rep assured me that the PM5's deliver dramatically improved (punchy) bass over the Galazy Hot Spots, but perhaps his enthusiasm may be somewhat colored because he has a vested interested in Carvin. Alex, you've made some good points, and I appreciate your candid feedback. I still haven't decided whether I'll give the Carvins a free trial test drive yet, afterall, I'll be responsible for paying the shipping either way. Since I've already ordered the Motion Sound KP-100S, I have plenty of auditioning ahead to look forward to. I'll keep you all posted. - Scott
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#152307 - 03/16/03 06:57 PM
Re: Stereo Spot Monitors Speakers for: MUTE Keyboards!
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Registered: 07/23/02
Posts: 562
Loc: Oceanside, CA USA
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Another reason NOT to get a silent slab as UD put it. I find this all amusing going back and forth, ordering this, sending it back, ordering that, sending it back. Scott, wouldn't it be easier to sell that mute board, hang on to your PSR 2000, then wait for the new generation boards to come out that have speakers built-in and all the other features your looking for? Plus if you do, you don't have to worry about lugging extra gear around with you every time you take it on the road. One thing I'll give to your credit: your persistent in your endeavor PS: If your determined to get your speakers I really hope you finally get the ones that make you happy. Best regards, Mike
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