Hi,

I bought 4 months ago new PSR-3000.
Including some accessories for it.

I really don't like it, and i did a mistake not buying digital piano RD-700SX.

Its new, i haven't used it more than 20mins..

and i have nothing to do with it, still left 8 months of warranty.. any ideas what can i do with it? i want RD-700SX..

Thanks,

Liran

Yeah. Play it a lot longer than THAT!

Scott

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Yeah, I agree with Scott here. Spend some more time on it. To really see if this boards for you, it will take hours, and days If you're looking for the "piano" feel and got the PSR-3000 at a good price, consider buying a low cost 88 key controller or even digital as an add on. Possibly Casio 100/310, Yamaha P-60/70. You can midi them up to the PSR-3000.

Squeak

Scott and Squeak, you guys apparently have not played an RD700SX...If you did you would know why Liran wants to deal the PSR3000 off for the Roland..

the thing is i always dreamed about learning piano...

This keyboard is like All-in-one, the keyfeel is like kiddie. nothing special about it, i dont feel any special piano sound, and i dont really use all the all-in-one stuff...

Just want a good sound with a 88-key, and the RD-700SX is AMAZING! saw it on the store and the keyfeel and all the sounds are amazing, its also 128 poly and it also has capabilities of One man band, just not too many things at one keyboard.

PSR-3000 i think is good for those who wants to perform as one man band... but i want it to play for hobby in my house..



[This message has been edited by retal (edited 06-17-2006).]

Wrong. I have, and of course know full well that the RD700SX includes an impressive hammer action keyboard feel, but considering the fact that Liram, for whatever reason, opted to purchase a synth action ARRANGER keyboard, not a digital piano, of which the considerably more costly RD700SX is, think he needs to first spend time to at least EXPLORE what the PSR3000 sounds & arranger featurs have to offer, and perhaps (as SqueakD also suggested) just add a 88 KB controller instead.

Scott

But Scott, the sound is not even in the same ballpark compared to the RD700SX..

Also almost everything that the PSR-3000 has , the RD700SX has

except some hundreds of sounds and styles.. which i dont really need?

liram....sorry to hear that you dont like such a excellent arranger lke the Psr3000......but if your not content just dump it quick on Ebay or privatly asap BEFORE the new Psr3100 comes out and get what makes you happy playing!

I've played the Roland RD700SX. AWSOME BOARD! The action (obviously) and the piano sample is (in my opinion) way better than PSR-3000. It's a very nice stage piano.

However, the PSR-3000 isn't a bad board either. Adding an 88 key cotroller may just change your mind about the unit. Also if you don't need the styles and all the other features of the 3000, then by all means buy the Roland (can't go wrong with that board) The price is a bit steep, but you'll warm up to it quickly

Squeak

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only to be sure, what do i lose here when i buy the RD-700SX and sell the PSR-3000 when we talk about features?

much less styles, less instruments, no vocal harmony(Which has no use for me anyway), no lcd screen like the PSR-3000, no built-in speakers, and some other recording features, right?

I know we talk about 2 different things, digital piano and arranger, but i've seen the rd-700sx playing alots of instruments.

What you have to keep in mind is that "yes" we're talking oposite sides of the coin here. The PSR-3000 will give you digital drawbars, styles, sequencing, color screen and so on.

The Roland is a stage piano. It doesn't sequencer, but "can" play back 16 part composition through midi. The Roland RD700 can be midi'd up to a computer for recording purposes. With the Roland you will not get styles, sequencer (internal), speakers, color screen, and several other things. The RD700 is at the heart a stage/studio piano. The PSR-3000 is an arranger keyboard with the auto-accomp function.

What you have to do is take a close look at your particular needs. Think of all the things you want to do with a keyboard, and what you expect from the unit as well.

Squeak

Well the only thing i want is to play piano and some other instruments, in a good quality sound, 88 keys, with the feel of the rd-700sx action and to maybe use some rhythms (rd-700sx has some).
Just wanna be a good keyboard player on a good keys with a good sound. with not too many options and stuff.

Have you looked at the FP series..same keybed and sounds...half the price..
http://www.roland.com/products/en/FP-5/index.html

Yea, but there is something special in the RD-700SX which like magnets me :P

Makes me wonder why on earth this guy purchased a PSR-3000 in the first place if he wants 88 notes and a superb piano action keyboard - wrong choice right from the beginning, both instruments are totally different

im not saying psr-3000 'aint got good piano sound, and im sure i can use it as well, but i just dont like this keyboard, it looks really flamboyant..

when i look at it.. Fantom X, G-70, PSR-3000, Tyros, they'r all the same with different features, also RD-700SX, it just that it has, less features, less everything, and focused on one thing, sound of few instruments.


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retal make sure you kow exactly what you want before you buy it.Do you actually play keyboard at all ? What level do you play and what features do you want and arelikely to use in a keyboard. what you have already highlighted is that you dont really know what you want, ican assume you bought the psr3000 without playing it otherwise you wold already know about the keyfeel and if you have not played the roland , how will you know if you prefer the roland ???????????

take your tiem. The roland is not like a magnet drawing you !!! you probably saw a good demo that probably was not even done on the RD700 so please just stop and write down what features are really important to you and then go and play the instruments that you have narrowed your choice down to. From what you have described there are several casio, korg and yamaha pianos at less than half the price of the RD700. Have you tried them ???????

Well hmm.. i guess i'm not a good keyboard player and haven't digged it too much.. i only know playing some basic stuff. yea you probably right, i saw the demo but i also went to see it, its cool keyboard.. i mean its 88-keys and the keys much harder to press... and i noticed a great sound.

its true, i haven't explored the psr-3000 at all, i might be doing mistake here trying to get rid of it so fast so soon without working on it, because i know if i'll sell it, ill use atleast %20 of the money even though i used it approx less than few hours.

Basically what i want is learning how to play good and not basic stuff.. but the psr-3000 like.. changed my motivation for learning since 61-keys looks like sooo little? and now im upset because if i waited a year i could get 76-keys in probably same price.. im talking about PSR-3100.

i mean the keyboard looks so small.

Maybe im wrong here and i should learn the keyboard for like a year, and maximum to buy another keyboard or digital piano because then its price will be too low to even bother sell it .. (no im not being sarcastic here... )

Ack, im abit confused now when i talk to all you pro's..

[QUOTE]Originally posted by retal:
[B]the thing is i always dreamed about learning piano...

Just curious, how well do you play piano?? – and for how long??

If you are in the learning stage it will be a while before you can sound anything like the people you have heard play your dream Roland keyboard.

Now if my desire was to play piano and own that Roland, by all means I would buy the Roland as soon as possible.

What you get for your PSR3000 should not be an issue. If money is a big issue, start learning on the PER3000, it’s a great keyboard. If you can’t take a loss you do not have a real choice.

John C.

PS, How much do you want for your PSR3000, I know some people who are interested. Like others have said, when this forum starts talking PSR3100 you investment will go down in value.

can i give you some advice retal ? Please dont go selling the psr3000 just to buy the RD700. From wht you have said you are a beginer player. I know lots of people who have spent thousands on a top of the range digital piano thinking that somehow the instrment would bless their hands and make them virtuosos only to find 6 months later that it has now become the most expensive book shelf they ever purchased !!!!!

There is far more you can do with the psr3000 than you could ever do with the RD700 in terms of musicality, creativity and sheer inspiration to learn and develope your music skills. But arranger playing is a slightly different discipline to straight piano playing. Thats not to say you cant use it simply for piano playing but you might find hat you have some limitations on straight piano pieces especially classical pieces written for a piano with the full 88 note range.

If you really hate the psr 3000 then by all means sell it but then purchase a deidicated digital piano. Go for an intermediate model. Others here will sugest some to you i am sure.

Until you have actually shown at least a couple of years dedication to learning to play piano, you SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERING A TOP END DIGITAL PIANO.

Unless of course you are short of book shelf space.......

Spalding1 you'r probably right.

bruno123... even if i sell it, probably it wont be to outside of israel because.. i douno how it is possible to ship such instrument via mail without tonoz of shipment money..

Retal, be happy, this forum has given you some good advice, explore the Psr3000 for a while, you will enjoy it and at a latter time add the Roland to it leaving with something good from both worlds.

After being a pro guitar player for many years I bought a keyboard –never played one before. After a while I would bring the keyboard on the job and midi it to my guitar, which gave me full accompaniment for my singing.
Then I began to play the keyboard part of the night. I now use only keyboard on all my jobs.
Now the good news is that I am having one heck of a good time, and now I have stepped up to playing piano. I take what I have learned on the keyboard and then apply it to my piano playing. Guitar to keyboard to piano, it’s pretty much a natural sequence.


Retal, enjoy it all every bit of it.

Just sharing, John C.

The best advice I have is to go to PSR Tutorial , join the forum, click on the Lessons Tab and explore this incredible keyboard in depth.

As for the keys, don't worry about the keyboard not feeling like a piano--it's an arranger keyboard. Pianos should have the key feel of a piano--not arranger keyboards. After a while, you'll forget about the piano, and with luck you'll be posting some beautiful music for all of us to hear.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Any chance i can hear some songs made by the psr-3000?
the midi files in the psrtutorial sounds awful... i never liked midis, though i heard the .mp3s on travlineasy's site.. that sounds really good, but i've wondered if i can hear 80-90's even 2000's..

Or piano playing..

I heard those roland demos they'r playing, and i was in shock .. (?!)


Btw they even didnt send me the free usb lan adapter, which i emailed them twice about it... after waiting 2 months
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[This message has been edited by retal (edited 06-18-2006).]

The midi files at the PSR-Tutorial site will sound a lot better when you play them through the keyboard. They were never intended for playing directly through your computer, and when played using sequencer software they are not using the keyboard's sound engine. Download them your USB thumb drive, then put the drive in the keyboard's USB port and open the midis there and you'll hear a big difference.

As recording some new songs and posting them on my website, that's on the adjenda for late summer or early fall.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Maybe you could get an 88 key weighted controller and drive the 3k with that?

If money is an issue. Not only will you have to spend more for the RD700, but will also have to buy a half decent sound system for it.
Donny always says, it's the musician not the instrument. I have no doubt the RD700 sounds great, but you were probably listening to an excellent musician playing it. If that musician played the PSR3000, it would also sound great. There is a MIDI file of ESH (Jim), I believe, playing Moon River. It sounded great even on my PSR550.
I wish I could play like that.
What I'm saying is are your sure it's the instrument and not the musician?
Starkeeper

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after some second thoughts im not going to sell it, it'll be a huge mistake selling something when i have almost no keyboard knowledge and my playing skills are low, first i need to maximize my playing skills.. then ill think about buying anything else..

I went too far for something that is really out of my league, and not related to money, but related to "Dont try to be a keyboard player, if you cant read notes"

Thanks for everybody who changed my thinking about selling my new psr-3000 before i have enough keyboard skills before thinking about switching any keyboard at all


Cheers,

Liran D.

Good luck my friend you made a wise choice ....playing music is a life long lesson that always can be improved upon............& remember this.......
YOU play the keyboard.......
The Keyboard doesnt play you!

retal, I believe you've made the right decision. Many, many of the arranger keyboard owners can't read music - they play by ear and they play for their own enjoyment. An arranger keyboard is, as you've discovered, at heart a computer and has many features, which can be hard to understand. But you don't have to learn everything to be able to make some beautiful music. And, as a beginner, you will reach that goal a lot quicker on an arranger than you could on a high-end stage piano. The lessons at the PSR Tutorial will help a lot. You can download lots of resources for your keyboard there, but if connection speeds are limited or your computer skills are limited, you can also simply get some of the PSR Tutorial CDROMS. All those midi files, (3,500+) are on the PSR-Tutorial CD-ROM (along with quite a bit of other stuff) ready to be used in your 3000. The MP3 CDs you see there will show you exactly how these keyboards can sound when played by professionals, many of which are on this forum. When you eventurally discover the utility of styles, you'll become style hungary like other PSR owners and you'll find thousands and thousands of styles available for your 3000. The 3000 is an instrument many people are happy to move UP to. You will have it for your learning over the next few years. As you improve, you will also note that the new boards themselve will also be improving and your choices a few years from now will be much better than anything you hear now. You will always have the opportunity to move up to a better instrument.

Thank you very much i'm really happy from my decision, im gonna dig to it hard and learn it step by step

Cheers,

Liran

If you want to hear what this board can do I used the 3000 to compose all my orignals... Listen Hi fi.. I recommend listening to "can't stop playing." This board is great, however you have to take the time to learn it... http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandID=313920&content=music