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#153320 - 10/26/03 01:20 PM Re: Midi resolution KN7000 vs PSR2100
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Scott,
(I'm not sure if your reply was directed at me) but what I was trying to say was, that even though the psr 2000 has that great 1920 ppq resolution for it's styles, Yamaha don't appear to take advantage of it.
The styles appear as if they could be played just as easily with a 96 ppq timing ( as there's no bunched notes) as they could with 1920 ppq timing. So I'm just wondering what the supposed advantage is in having a clock resolution of 1920 ppg when it comes to playing of styles. I'm fairly certain my 9000pro only had a 96 ppq clock resolution when it came to it's styles and they used to sound great to me.
There again, my main purpose of having an arranger is to play along , using styles.
I don't really bother recording songs using the internal sequencer. I suppose if I did, I'd create a backing track first using the styles. Then record the melody ( and sequencer backing track) live to audio. In which case I doubt it would really matter what clock resolution I had, as the melody would I assume be free flowing, as I'm not using the sequencer's clock ( only the style parts are).
I'm assuming that for most people that do record, the ultimate result would be to record that song to cd.
So I suppose I'd just be bypassing a step by not recording the melody part to the kn's internal sequencer, by recording directly to audio.

best wishes
Rikki

best wishes
Rikki

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Originally posted by Scottyee:
I'm not sure, but I would suspect that factory programmed 'internal keyboard styles' aren't created on the associated arranger's style pattern hardware sequencer at all, but instead, recorded using a high end sequencer program such as Cakewalk Sonar, Logic Audio, or Cubase, which not only supports the highest midi timing note resolution available, but also includes other elaborate softwre midi recording & processing capabilities not available on a hardware sequencer. When the completed style pattern is subsequently imported into the keyboard, the midi timing resolution is automatically reduced to whatever the maximum ppq midi note resolution supported by that keyboard. - Scott
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#153321 - 10/26/03 02:05 PM Re: Midi resolution KN7000 vs PSR2100
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Hi Rikki. I think just the fact that the newer Yamaha arrangers now support 1920ppq recording & playback in both its style creator & song sequencer is that it offers the POTENTIAL for more impressive lifelike styles which capture all the nuances of the musician who initially recorded the style to be created (both commercially or by the end user, us) This difference is most noticeable in swing (jazz) styles where these kind of playing sublties are most apparent (to me).

From my recollection, there are already a few internal Tyros styles which were recorded at 1920ppq, such as the Jazz 'Bebop' session style. I only expect that Yamaha will be featuring more styles recorded fully unquantized (1920 ppq) on future arrangers.

On the subject of recording to midi or just going directly to digital audio: Though recording directly to Digital audio is certainly a covenient approach, you have a lot more note editing control when recording to midi first, and then to Digital audio. For example, in an 'unquantized' midi file, it's a lot easier to edit/change a 'single' note(s) than it is to do in a digital audio file.

Scott
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#153322 - 10/26/03 08:22 PM Re: Midi resolution KN7000 vs PSR2100
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Scott,
well if they're actually starting to make use of the 1920ppq in the styles, then great.

As for the recording directly to digital ( that's purely hypothetical, but I figured it could work) According to hubby, I'm best seen and NOT heard (he's due for new glasses, but he's got perfect hearing (haa haa, ) so for the time being recording for me is not an issue.

thanks Scott

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scottyee:

From my recollection, there are already a few internal Tyros styles which were recorded at 1920ppq, such as the Jazz 'Bebop' session style.
On the subject of recording to midi or just going directly to digital audio: Though recording directly to Digital audio is certainly a covenient approach, you have a lot more note editing control when recording to midi first
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