Dear Roel;

So what you are saying is that Type 1 users are lazy. Can't we have a Type 3 user ( type1 + type 2) which is a person who expects the keyborad to be good out of the box, but is also interested in tweaking/modifying /sequencing as well the advanced features etc..

At 3-4K for these TOP model arrangers one should expect a certain level of performance. After all they are suppose to TOP of the line flag ships aren't they?


Regards;
BN

i am quite surprised that someone would leave the forum because some people dont like the instrument he owns. Come on !!! Dont take the comments personally . I am certainly not trying to hurt anyones feelings here. my views are what i have experienced. Itriedf the Genesys too and did no buy it. I hope the Genesys owners dont disappear in disgust !

If you want to buy a product that did not sound good from the moment you demoed it and want to potentially make a mistake of paying a few thousand pounds "just in case" it was a good board afterall, then by all means do so. I for one need a board to look and sound like a winner from the begining. If the marketing and sales department at Roland could not be bothered to "tweak" the instrument so that it would sound more attractive to people when played next to their competitors by people who genuinly want to buy, Why should potential customers part with their hard earned cash ???

I am not a Techy or a keyboard tweaker (although i posses the interest and ability to develope those skills) i am an amateur musician who wants to play nice music with a great instrument. Sorry if this offends the tweakers!

Dear Spalding;

Which Genesys did you try? Why did you not like it? What else have you tried and what do you currently play?


Regards;
BN

Gunnar....
A solution for type 0 people: Keyboard with mp3 reader or an iPOD that sings to you.

i have tried the Genesys pro. The PA1X , Tyros, G70 but have yet to try the SD1. ?They are hard to find in the uk. I have also tried the PSR3000.The most impressive was the Korg. Yamaha let themselves down with the lack of sampler and non existent sequencer. I have already commented on the Genesys and the G70 and hurt some peoples feelings so i will not say any more on thse boards) . I need an all in one keyboard as i am not a full time musician. I have a demanding job, a gorgeous 5 year old daughter that is into everything and not a whole lot of space so i need an instrument that is portable , and an all in one solution.

The best i have heard so far is the Korg PA1X. I was a Technics player before and then a Yammie fan for years but that keyboard is outstanding in terms of sound quality but the price at least last year was also outstanding !I write and arrange music for various Gospel choirs in the UK using my Yamaha PSR8000 and i needed an instrument that could be used as both an arranger for live work and a studio board but also with the facility to sample. Its much easier to experiment with an arranger and work out grooves or try a vibe (style ) that the choir can get into then and there . Once i know how they react to the grooves its then easy to record that and give it to live musicians to work out their own part. It also makes remixing a song instantly possible as i can change the groove of a song at the touch of a button. I'm not a pro musician but i demand quality from my instrument.Especially for the prices they are sold for .

Hi BN,
independent of that, Mart will answer, I can tell to you my experience on G-70.
Create an absolute new style may be very difficult by using all individual parts of Roland
style divisions: 4 intros, 4 endings, 4 main variations, 6 fills within mode mayor, minor seventh,
8 tracks each = 432 parts! Depend on the own ability new style will sound very good,
- or less. It is not possible create events step by step, but correct, delete and insert events
follow on is possible by MICRO EDIT. Best method getting 'brand new styles' in my opinion is
combine useable parts with your own new created parts. Tweaking exsisting styles, G-70
provide countless opportunities. The 50 MB SSD contains the factory data too. So, if you don't
delete some of them, you will have a shortage storing more than 800 additional styles, I think.
Internal SSD storage to save USER PROGRAMS is necessary for MUSIK ASSISTANT use. But
PCMCIA adaptor works very fast. My old VA/G1000 styles took 6,5 MB of storage. One new
G-70 style take up to 80 KB. (Perhaps more?)
Regards Hanspeter

George,

Does the Gw7 come with 7 Oriental Kits and Arabic sounds like the G70?

I don't know what kits are in the GW7 keyboard. they have not started shipping yet.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

Hi BlkNotes,
Tweaking styles is the most easy way to get
your own styles.
By using the Style Make up this is a matter
of minutes for an existing style. For one
track a matter of seconds.
When you use the Style Composer when twea-
king a style it will take a few minutes more
for, as an example, copying a track from another style to your new style. After that
you can use the Style Make up again for
choosing the sound, the volume ,the effects,
the velocity and the pan.
Making complete new styles from scratch takes a lot of time but is not neccesary to make Maj,Min and 7's for all the parts.
It is possible to combine these three to one
track.
I did this in the passed but now I just edit
and tweak existing styles. For guitarstrum-
ming I used a Digitar.
There are so many converted styles on the net for tweaking that in this moment I do not need new styles.
The G70 has an internal memory (50MB) and
beside that I use an external memory(250MB)
Of course I play music and I like it to edit
styles. I do not think there are musicians
that only are happy when they can edit a
style.
To an existing style it is allways possible
to play and create a new track by playing
on the keys of your arranger.If you like for
Maj,Min and 7's or combined to one track.