Hi Liontracs..

I have to ask you.... are you from the Liontracs company / owner or are you just a big fan of the product ????

Because I ask is... I´m a very big Ketron fan, and I have waitet on this nye Audya, but offcause I seen and listen to the Liontracs... Its a very heavy thing, can do a lot, but what about the sounds !!!! And will it also work in 3 years ?? what about repar of it ?? and did you know anything about if it will came to danmark ???
Maybe you can write to me on me email larsplovmann@pc.dk

Best regards Lars Plovmann

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[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 04-11-2007).]

Sorry, but the only way to judge the MS is to go to the website and listen to the demos....

And sorry, but to my ears, despite its' acknowledged technical superiority, they STILL don't hold a candle to the Big 3's TOTL offerings. Bottom line... if it walks like a duck, it IS a duck, no matter HOW many 'eagle-like' features it is supposed to have.

Everything the MS does (even the arranger section, to a certain extent) can be done with a computer, with easier workflow - no Linux 'wrappers' to have to deal with on a regular PC or Mac. If, for some reason, you GOT to have EVERYTHING inside one keyboard case, well, yes, this is your only option, but in the real world, most TOTL studios and recording facilities have a dedicated computer for these tasks (or three!), most players here got a decent computer already. Do you REALLY need to take a full recording studio out to the gig?

Until the MS demos new sounds and styles that completely destroy the competition (and yes, I HAVE heard the latest demos), this is still a great workstation, and a poor arranger (IMHO). CONTENT is what sell the arranger, not capability. Most T2 owners here probably don't use all of the available features like sampling, HD recording, but if it were to have styles that sound like the MS's, well, Roland would be a LOT happier!

The trick with arrangers is, most of the target audience have never completely programmed a style in their life. Very few of them use the sampler extensively. They don't WANT to 'program' a workstation, they just want to PLAY an arranger. If you can't open the box, take out this VERY expensive keyboard, press the power switch, load a style and COMPLETELY blow away an E80 or T2, you still have a LONG way to go in the arranger business.

You can get away with missing features as long as the styles ROCK (Technics and Ketron been doing that successfully for ages), but no amount of extra capabilities can make up for poor styles and sounds.

But don't listen to me.... go to the MS website and listen to the style demos. Then go to Yamaha's site and listen to the T2 demos. Now forget 'features', and just decide which you'd rather PLAY.....

I am still amazed at how people are refusing to understand what the mediastation is to serious professional arranger players.

To say that all that can be done on the mediastation can be done on a computer demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the mediastation.
I would definitely prefer an upgradeable arranger with my choice of giga and other high quality sounds and the ability to import almost any style.
I would not want to carry a regular computer on a gig.

The only way we can know if the mediastation sounds good or not is by playing it in person. An online demo really does not tell us how good or bad a keyboard sounds.

But having said all that, to get back on topic, the new Ketron could be a step up from the mediastation and Tyros 2 if the user interface is easy to use, the sounds and styles are customizable like the mediastation, the OS is stable and is reasonably price.

"only" 4900 euro for one piece of Audya.

Sorry, Genesys, but if the factory can't make the demos sound good, what chance do ordinary players?

I am still amazed at the number of people that leap to the defense of this piece of kit, but NOT ONE has ever posted anything that even remotely compares to a T2 or E80 (or even a PSR3k!). Sure, you can play B4 or GigaPiano, but only on top of less than stellar styles.

You NEVER see Yamaha go 'Let's make our demos sound crappy, so potential buyers can only imagine how much better it will sound after they have re-voiced it for a few months'.......

Unless they are total morons (which I doubt!), if the factory guys can't make it sound great, it can't be made to sound great. Prove me wrong... PLEASE!

Styles from Tyros 2 played on Wersi OAA (Open Art Arranger)

1. Baroque Concerto http://download.yousendit.com/F238598E4B2BFF46
2. Bosa Nova http://download.yousendit.com/B4FCF59426C989EA
3. Classic big Band http://download.yousendit.com/69FC4CE45D55EEB9
4. English Waltz http://download.yousendit.com/2AE475D75B120619
5. Flamenco http://download.yousendit.com/7D5B78690512FE86

Then have a listen to the demos here http://www.wersi.net/html/tontrager.html

Enjoy


Bill


[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 04-09-2007).]

OMG they sound awesome!!!!


[This message has been edited by Nick G (edited 04-10-2007).]

Yes, Wersi is really good, but expensive:

Wersi OAS-Preisliste 2007

By example the "cheapest" Wersi Abacus configuration with real drums and the new arranger software will cost you EUR 8.380. If we subtract 19% german VAT and convert to USD this amounts to USD 9400!

Kind regards,
Tommy

Yes I agree, in the short term they are expensive, but in the long term they are quite cheap, (When you buy a Wersi you keep it for life and just update the software and standard PC computer hardware) as you don’t have to keep trading them in to get new technologies.
BTW The cheapest Wersi is actually the Ikarus, not the Abacus.
Also forget straight conversions from Euros, as they bear little relationship to the price of the instruments in other countries. (This applies to all boards not just Wersi)
Enjoy whatever you play

Bill