(Mazal Tov! I'm a 'senior'(!) member!)

They're both nice, but I prefer the stereo spread in the first version. My guess is that the hard disk is Number 1.

Here's my take on it.

"A" had better stereo imaging, ie., better balance left and right.

"B" had a better - 'cleaner' - sound but the majority of the sound was coming out of the left speaker so the stereo image was not as accurate imo, ie., the balance was not as good (left and right).

Terry you say you recorded them the same with no EQ or Effects added yet there is a distinct difference in the two recordings.

Here's my hypothesis:

The "A" recording sounded to me like it had some 'hiccups' in it, ie., - it didn't sound as flowing and natural as the "B" recording (spatial, presense, and cleaner sound laid aside.) So I could be wrong but I think "A" was done on the Computer with Sonar and "B" was done on the Yamaha AW4416 or whichever one you have. I am thinking the 'hiccups' were caused by a Computer that is possibly not fast enough to keep up with Audio feed coming into it and being recorded in Sonar. Thus the 'hiccups'. That is just a theory of course. Or it could be just the opposite where the Hardware based recorder is possibly an older model that has some kinks in it (older technology/flawed design, bad model, etc.) thereby causing the hiccups in "A". But I still think "A" was done on the Computer with Sonar. Just a hunch.

Best regards,
Mike

Well just so you all can sleep tonight I'd better tell which is which.

First I would say I preferred A myself and was surprised at what I heard as a great deal of difference between the two. They were both acceptable to me but A to me had a crispness and clarity of sound that I thought B lacked. I picked that big band style because it had a wide range of instrumentation to follow and would give us a lot of different things to listen for.

What I find interesting about some of the comments here is that some are hearing different panning and volumes out of 1 channel or the other.

The Tyros was fed in at the same volume to both A & B the pan was hard left and hard right on both A & B so theoretically we really should hear about the same results as far as panning etc.

Anyway all that having been said....

A = AW 4416 Yamaha h/d recorder
B = Sonar through the Tascam US 122 interface.

Now you can all sleep tonight.
Terry

Scott, You're welcome

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Mike
Regarding some of your observations....the laptop is about as good as it gets right now specs wise. It is dedicated for music only and has been optimized as such. The AW 4416 too is still pretty current technology. BTW they were both recorded at 16/44100 as well.
Terry

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I'm sure B from the Sonar is more left - no quetion. Have a listen on a pair of earphones. You can't miss it. Sometimes you have to tweak the panning to get it to centre. Try it. Also the overall sound is different when you hear different stereo image, so u can't make a good judgement of the two as long as the panning is wrong. IMHO.

Thanks Terry !

Why was there noise Terry ? What causes it ? The Tyros, The AW-inputs or other devices ?
Are you sure it's not the Tascam input ?

About the panning :
The Tyros channels did switch channels .... absolutely, no doubts about it. e.g. the clarinets first come from the right ch. and in B from the left ch.

I cannot understand why this huge difference in sound image exists. With my AW16G and all other (HD)recorders I owned there was NO difference in sound. When I switch my keyboard or other source to the (record)subgroups of my mixer there should be no difference in sound. (volume, sound, panning)
(To be sure, I do this test always before recording)

In your case, they change.... at least sound and panning. The panning is caused by signal cables, but the sound.... I don't know why...... perhaps a counter-phase leak through monitoring connections ?

Goodnight to all

Roel

Roel
About L&R I'm sure you're right in that the cables in the Tascam interface may be reversed or in Sonar, Ch. 1 I could have swaped for what should be Ch. 2. by input choice. As far as the front end noise that is the gain and the lines from the Tyros to the AW also the AW inputs can get noisey as well.

I did not want to process either signal with anything for the comparison to be fair, so I just took them as them came.
Terry

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[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 11-23-2003).]

Thanks Terry,

Before I read any of the posts, I listened to the MP3, and my vote went for the second recording. Essentially, the straw vote was a 7 to 2 margin for B. with Sonar getting the nod. Obviously, I would have liked to see a lot more total votes, but this small poll has lots of merrit. Guess I stick with my PC recordings after all.

Thanks again for providing the comparison,

Gary

.... or maybe the 2 of us that picked "A" are just smarter ?

(kidding, of course)