Hi
Do you know this new kb? You may see it on:
www.yamahasynth.com/pro/pf1000

It seems as a mixture of a PSR2000 into a digital piano. Or like a CVP203 with only 31 kg. (68 lbs) without keyboard stand.
Some features are:

• Superb 88-key Graded Hammer Effect keyboard
• Dynamic Stereo Sampling for genuine piano sound
• Stereo Sustain samples and Key-off samples for added realism
• Huge selection of high-quality voices (308 panel +480 XG +16 drum kits)
• 259 professionally arranged accompaniment styles
.......


It is big (1430 mm.), but perhaps it is the great choice for persons which:
-love piano, piano feels, piano keys, piano sound.
-want styles, and a lot of sounds
-are home players, don't gig (because 61 lbs...)
-don't like PSR2000 piano voice, piano keys, etc

Perhaps some of you have seen or played it. I imagine its piano sound will be better than Tyros, is it?
I don't know its price, does is it similar to Tyros?

Cheers

Prices for the PF 1000 on Synthplanet.com:

Listprice : US$ 3539.76
Our Price : US$ 2047.79 (2528.4 EURO)

I played the PF1000 at Guitar Center last Saturday. It is basically an arranger version of the PF500 with 320x240 display. I think of it as a portable Clavinova, boasting Yamaha's triple-strike piano sample. It may be the lightest piano that comes with the three standard piano pedals. At GC, the ticket price is $3k, whereas the PF500 is $2K. The PF1000 and PF500 have speakers that point upward from areas where we might otherwise want to stack piano music or drinks. Flash memory is only 1MB, if I remember correctly.

You ARE kidding, right? Putting liquids on a $3000 piano?

5 kids. I have an inexpensive Korg digital piano. Last time it stopped working, I had the keyboard circuitry changed--the old one had dried coke coating the conductors. I have also found a sandwich inserted into a VCR and yogurt rubbed into a camcorder. The 5 kids have 5 bunnies that chew through power and audio cables when they are let loose in the house. Kid and bunny resistance are important factors in my purchasing decisions.

UD: Clif's definitely NOT kidding. I've been to his house.

Sounds like Clif need a real piano

Yes, the "real piano" issue. We have had piano teachers come to our home to give lessons for the past several years. They, of course, would prefer that we have a real piano and have encouraged me to get one. I have considered buying one.

But I have hard time spending lots of money on a keyboard without a selection of voices. My kids enjoy practicing piano music using a variety of voices--it takes some of the tedium out of practice. While they are learning piano, they are also learning about synthesizers.

A Yamaha Disclavier would be a good "compromise", but they are too pricey. Anyway, dare I say this? I sort of think of pianos as musical dinosaurs.

Now you've gone and done it Cliffie..a Dinosaur??? I get your point and do agree with you about the diskclavier. In a recording studio, or even on stage, they are easier to set up and sound better than those pianos that are not mic'd properly. But I'll take a Yamaha C-7, professionally set up over anything digital you can throw at me..any day...any time...any where...but..I myself would go the clavinova /diskclavier route for a studio/performance because I don't have the stage helpers or the know how on setting up a real piano.... Cheers b2

Comon Cliff,
I started many years ago playing an organ, so I am not a pianist (hope I spelled that correctly). I have a friend who bought a second hand piano he got by trading his carpentry service. It's an old instrument, but it blows away a Yamaha PSR540, PSR550, PSR2000, EM55 away. Never tried a PSR9000,S90, or a motif. It would take 65 megs of wave ROM, for the piano sample alone, to sound anything like a real piano. A setup like Frank Rosenthall has, might do justice, but he has gigabytes of wave ROM on his computer. PSR2000 has 16 megs split on 800 different sounds.

Frank has 10gigs of Wave ROM and after he upgrades, he will have 30 gigs!! The PSR2000 has 16 megabytes divided by 793 tones and organ flutes. Never heard a softsynth piano. If you're there Frank, does it come close to an acoustic piano?
Starkeeper

B2, Starkeeper,

Right now the piano is flourishing. But the trends are not in its favor. There is little room for improving piano technology (it seems). Space and wood are becoming more precious. OTOH,synths are becoming more powerful and affordable.

Also, how valuable is the piano sound? If there were a synth/sampler that could emulate an acoustic piano perfectly, including its feel, but could not produce any other sounds--how would it fare in the marketplace? I think it would lose out to synths with lesser piano sounds but greater sonic breadth.

Anyway, comparing pianos to dinosaurs is not an insult. After all, the dinosaurs were magnificent--in their day

Cliff,
I agree that multiple voice synths have a greater appeal to keyboard players these days because we are all budget conscious, and it's great only having to utilize one or 2 boards and get a whole lot of versatility. lets face it, they are lighter, sound great for the most part and as you eluded to, they don't have to have a perfect piano sound because they mix in with the band. However, I still believe, there will always be roadies who will lift them and maintainers to maintain them, and they will always be utilized in a concert settings when the artists demand the best piano sound for their music. I have witnessed alot of concerts lately. Billy Joel (Steinway), Elton John (Yamaha, sometimes a diskclavier, primary is a standard stringed grand), Michael W Smith, Yamaha C-7. Even singers who don't play the piano bring grands with them (Mary Chapin Carpenter and James Taylor to name only 2). I have to believe the piano is obviously the only instrument that can actually feel and sound like a piano. Anything else will be a cheap imitation...perhaps a very good cheap imitation, but when it comes down to the nut cuttin, and if people have the means to lug them around, they will always be the first choice of keyboard players who play the piano. (not synths and organs). Anyways, none of this really means anything I guess...just one mans opinion. I do like the clavinovas and diskclaviers though. They are outstanding sounding and certainly are a blast to play and perform with. Cheers B2

[This message has been edited by B2 (edited 10-30-2002).]

Dreamer,
Interested more in the PF1000, especially at the price you quoted. Wondering...is this unit somewhat like the Pro? Does it have an on board sequencer, styles and similarities of the Pro...sure looks like it! Exactly what I am seeking is a top notch product with about 2000 dollars to spend. Above that, I sleep on the couch.
Regards,
Zuk