Scott...me taunting you!! I don't recall any taunting..Maybe you can go into your archives and quote me..Keep it in context..

As for bashing the Yamaha Tyros 2..Never happened..I never even looked at one, so why comment..Tyros[original ] is another story, but I never bashed it..maybe pointed to it's construction and key size[not bashing..just facts]..
Apparently you and Chas on another post have something eating at you..Why don't you guys email me, and we can figure out the problem..

As for the fore mentioned guys mentioned..the only one I commented to was Roel..actually asked him the same question I asked of you and Chas....

If you want to go over something that still seems to fester in you..you know how to reach me....other than posting..But if you wish..here is fine with me..

Originally posted by Scottyee:
Oh no Donny. Back to your old trick of DELETING your postings again?! That's really a dis-service, especially after so many people took the time to respond. At least you aren't able to completely remove the thread (including responses) as you used to be able to do

Old Trick? Hmmmmmmmmm..... seems like a simple thing to to no trickery there Scotty...if its allowed on the forum its my prerogative as a poster to edit or delete my posts as I see fit.......IMO. Thoughts sometimes are posted in error & need to be edited or deleted no big deal.....people can surly get the gist of the topic from the subject title.…

Ok Donny, I acknowledge you like the Midjay because it "kicks butt", of which I assume means having that classic Ketron "in your face" punchy sound, but why don't you be more specific about the ways the the Midjay is "better sounding" than the competition.

Scott once again, The Midjay is just a Tool, I make it sound better then the competition thru editing, tweaking playing abilities, performance experience as a professional keyboard musician/singer...Im not ashamed to say it my friend ! I dont care what your using Tyros, Pax, G70 etc etc if you aint got the talent or the goods it aint going to sound good no matter how many gizmos, gadgets, these Kbs have on board & if you can prove me wrong Please do so at your convenience.


Ok Donny, we all know you didn't specifically purchase the Midjay for your CD recording project alone. Why don't you be candidly honest and tell us why you now SUDDENLY t want to sell it, and go back to Yamaha(?), especially considering the FACT you spent so MANY MONTHS bashing Tyros2, and recommending the Midjay as so much better. Your continuous 'back & forth' fickleness really promotes confusion, especially to 'new members' who look to us senior members & pros here for keyboard brand/model purchase guidance.

Scott there were many reasons I purchased a MJ....recording was the biggest decision.....the rest was using it in my act on stage due to its superb sound that we all know Ketron products are capable of.
Its flexibility is unsurpassed IMO.
As for guidance from us pros on purchasing an arranger KB for newbies ....I always tell them to go play them first,do not listen to all the different mine is better then yours senarios which confuse a potential buyer even more or post some of your tunes so we can see & hear what level your at and get an idea of what someone is looking for with their specific needs in an arraner KB.....Finicky? hahahahah again, my prerogative my friend....I switch gear, buy,& perform with many tools & use them on stage, whatever it takes to complete the job successfully so that my clients, & audience are happy. Bashing Tyros2? I think its a fine instrument in the RIGHT hands......but it could also be the worst instument in the WRONG hands for sure..............can I perform with one? yes....would I buy one? possibly, does it lack a few things that I personally need to perform on stage and would like to see included maybe in future models? yes, did I bash it when it was released? yes, I also apologized for that somewhere in another post for jumping the gun. Now Scott, I hope I answered some of your questions Im a busy man & Im off to a gig now....I'll check back later to kibitz with you again tonight...I guess I might have to buy a TYROS 2 and really prove what Im talking about once & for all....its not out of the question in the near future

I myself remain extremely happy performing with my Tyros2 keyboard, irregardless of the months of unrelentless anti-Tyros2 teasing & taunting you and Fran Carango aimed at me & other Tyros2 enthusiasts here, and of which regrettably drove valuable contributing Synthzone members: Roel Dejonge, Heikki Kahola (theWolf), Chico Brasil, and Notlos (Dirk Baert), to leave this forum altogether.
Ok. Thanks for letting me blow off steam.
Scott

Scott if they choose to leave ....Oh well its their loss.....this is a public forum where SZ members offer their opinions good or bad on many topics......this is real life not Never Never Land..if they chose to leave its their prerogative, if they want everyone to agree and always love a certain product that aint gonna happen either, you wanna blame me fine .......no sweat off my back...do your sometimes annoying posts bother me ? No way .....I kind of find it amusing & it gives me a reason to post more....maybe someday I will surpass your posting record


[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 04-28-2006).]

Fran. As far as any festering resentments. I had long forgotten that, but I suppose they re-surfaced because of Donny's now sudden 'turnaround interest' in Tyros now.

Fran, as for bringing up your name in the thread, it's clear to me that most of the active SZ membership (except perhaps you and Donny) have acknowledged (as evidenced by numerous email & phone conversastions) that both you & Donny had been unrelentlessly knocking Tyros2, claiming Roland G70, and Ketron a far wiser keyboard decision. The fact that you never even played a Tyros2, or a Roland G70 (at least at the time of those postings further emphasizes why I was so upset. Ok. Now that I've had a chance to vent, I feel alot better, so hope everything's cool between us now, at least it is on my end.

Donny & Fran: Peace & friendship to both of ya.

Scott

Friends.

The latency with Tyros/Tyros2 is not in the actual voice selection (when you make a selection using the screen buttons A-J). To understand what others are complaining about, try the following...

* Turn on your keyboard (Tyros, G70, SD1Plus, Genesyes ...etc).
* When it completely boots up, perform the following...
** Usually the default voice group selected is PIANO.
** Press STRINGS and see how long it takes from the instant you press the strings button to the time the string voices are actually displayed on the screen for you to make a selection (using the buttons to the side of the screen).
** Now press ORGAN and see how long it takes for the organ voices to be displayed on the screen for selection.

I have done this at the lab and this is what I came up with (using the units here).

In the case of ...
TYROS2 - it appears about 1/2 a second goes by before the voices are displayed on the screen.
G70 - close to instant.
PA1X (if within the same bank, close to instant. If in another bank, about 1/2 a second).
SD1Plus - close to instant.
Genesys - close to instant.
PSR3000 -close to instant.

I think this is the latency in question (please correct me if I am wrong). The PSR3000 appears to have a quicker 'screen response' than the Tyros!

AJ

Scott, No problems here..I only felt a need to respond..

Hi AJ,

The amt of time after pressing the specific voice bank family button and for the page 1 voice list to appear is 1/4 sec on my T2, but in 'live' performance, I would NEVER select sounds this way anyway. Why?

Unfortunately (or fortunately) depending on who you talk to, on all Yamaha arrangers (PSR3000, Tyros, and Tyros2), when selecting instrument voices from the voice selection bank buttons, it includes no effects (reverb, chorus, etc), resulting in a DRY (lackluster) sound. What I do instead is create & store custom REGISTRATION Banks of my FAV personally tweaked instrument voices (with added effects: reverb, chorus, delay, etc to suit my personal liking) and simply call up voices 'on the fly' this way. Much faster (and with zero latency delay) than standard voice bank/voice page selection on other keyboards as well. I personally wished Yamaha would have included some default reverb efx settings when selecting voices directly from the Voice Bank buttons though. and have expressed my views re this to them.

Scott

Scott,

Thanks for the update. The speed at which this same action is carried out/implimented on the PSR3000 or the other keyboards mentioned above is way less than 1/4 sec.(don't have an exact number for all). Remember too that the T/T2 have the highest screen resolution ... so far!!

You are right about the voices not having any initial/original effects. Strange how Roland (with the G70) choose the other path and added excessive effects! But again, manufacturers each have their own methods.

PS:- Do not forget to send me what we talked about yesterday once you're done.

Just curious. How do you measure a 1/4 second??

A finger snap is about 1 second.

We are really splitting hairs (or seconds) here . Must be a slow day on the forum.

Jerry

Very Quickly.

1/4 second is 250 milliseconds...that is too long of a delay for sound.
Playing samples in real time needs to be under 10ms..