Here we go again folks. It's me once again being a "Royal Pain".
Sometimes I wonder if it's just my nature or do I really have a point here. You tell me!
As you all know by now, I just purchased a PSR9000, had it for a week, and loved it. Unfortunately, I've just discovered that it has the same problem that the 9pro had (which I owned as well and this was one of the reasons for which I sold it):
The "Parameter Block" does not work!
The manual's definition reads as follows:
"This function can be used to "lock" the specified parameters, so they can only be changed via de direct panel controls (i,e., "not" via the Registration Memory, music Data Base, MIDI, Sequence data, etc.)
To me, this means that if I want my "split Point" to stay the same regardless of any registration changes, all I have to do is "mark" the "Split point" parameter in the box, and forget about it, Right?
Well, guess what? it does not! and the same goes for "Master EQ", and "Mixer Functions" and the rest of the parameters. (There might be an exception, and that's for the "Mic setup" settings, which I tried changing and they were blocked).
I called Yamaha on the problem early this week and finally got a call from them yesterday. When I could not get anywhere with the tech support guy on this, I asked for the product Manager Specialist who happens to be Mark Anderson well known for his knowledge and willingness to help us, the customer. After a long discussion, and trying one of their KBs, he acceded to me that, indeed, there is a problem here.
Folks, this bug is "systemic" with both the 9000s. And I know this, because, as I said, I am previous owner of a Pro KB as well. He said he will be looking further into the problem and seek a solution for it.
If you 9000 owners have any doubts about this, please, do yourselves a favor…. go try it on your Kbs and you’ll see my point! And please joint me on this “crusade” to get this great (and expensive) KBs to the level they are supposed to be at. This is a very important feature that can be corrected easily with a an update from those “Brains” at Yamaha.
The “irony” of this whole thing is that this problem does not exist on the “very inexpensive” PSR2000 which I also own. Go figure!
Regards,
Mario

PS. Isn't this systemic problem reminiscent of Ketron/Solton's Chord Harmony bug?... Boy what a "pain in the tucas" I am!

[This message has been edited by Mario (edited 09-19-2002).]

Go Get em Mario!

I'm with you a hundred percent. And as soon as the new OS comes out, I'll be right there downloading it with you. Keep up the fight. Don't waiver or faulter. Stay the course.
Live long and prosper...Peace and long life.

Dennis

Dennis:
Even though I am aware of sometimes being too critical about these machines, I am "flabbergasted" to find out how little people think about things that do not affect them “directly”, but in reality they turns out that they do get affected “ indirectly”.
Why do I say that? The chief reason for which companies like Yamaha and Ketron get away with these deficiencies is "indifference" on the part of the KB owners. It's beyond me why this thread hasn't generated any "curiosity" on the part of the YK9 owners to at least look into their own KBs and find out what I am talking about here. As I said initially, this “Parameter Block” problem is "systemic" in all their machines; and yet, no one (except you) has had anything to comment about it. And then we wonder why, again, these companies get away with murder?
Even If some of us never get to use all the features on a KB, it's the mere principle of companies not delivering what they promise in their designs and being held accountable for what they do not "deliver".
I can't believe that the PSR9000 has been out for all these years and no one, repeat, no one, has either caught this bug or brought it up for discussion and, worst of all, is willing to live with it, without at least making Yamaha aware of it, or making a comment on this great forum.
This is one time that I am glad to be a “Royal Pain” and that I did bring it up.
Hopefully they will correct this for ”all” Y9K owners; and hopefully soon.
Regards,
Mario

Donny NJ has my PSR9000. The 2K freeze parameters work fine. Now, about the Karaoke Girl . . . oh that's right, Yamaha says it's SUPPOSED to work like that!
DonM

Don:
When I spoke to the tech guy and Mark Anderson at Yamaha product specialist at Yamaha, they both told me it was a miss print on the manual. After all, when you make a registration you can change your settings to whatever you want; I then asked them why then put the "darn" feature in the first place and then sell it as it actually works when it doesn't?
Let's wait and see what happens.
Mario

HI: Mario
I agree, that this freeze function would be nice if it worked.
I tried it a few times when I got the PRO & it didn't seam
to work, so I set everything up in the registration's.

I hope Yamaha will finally fix this problem, it would make
a great KB even better.
Enjoying the 9000 PRO
Denny

Hi Mario

You have a top line kb with a nice key feel,great voices , a simple but dependable set of styles,good vocal harmony,very good buttons and eeeeeasy navigation.
Try set your split point in B2 to accomodate
the higest chord without inversion(Bm7b5=B,D,F,A).

Um abraço amigo
Chico

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 09-21-2002).]

Chico!..my great friend! I am the first one to tell you how wonderful these machines are. I am the proud owner of a 2k and a PSR9000 (former owner of a Pro). After spending over $10,000 US dollars in the last 2 years on Yamaha products, I think I am entitled to “bitch” about some of these “small but pesky” irregularities; something Yamaha refuses to recognize as being a problem to a “few of us”. To me is not the bug itself, but the concept that, if it doesn’t bother enough people out there, then the problem is “insignificant” and why bother correcting it; this bother’s me a lot. This being the reason of me trying to convince all the people in this forum that we should not remain stagnant when something like this happens; as it has in the past.
. I, for one, need The “Parameter Lock” to work. Some of you don’t. That’s fine. This doesn’t mean Yamaha shouldn’t make an effort to correct the problem. This function was designed into the system for a reason; let’s get it to work as it was meant to do!
Best regards,
Your Boss nova loving friend,
Mario

Mario,

I checked your problem on my 9000PRO V2.02.

The MasterEQ Parameter Lock is working on my board without any problems.

Little bit more complex is the Split Point issue. Basically there are three split points since OS Version 2 for the PRO (Acmp, Left and R3). The setting for the Left Split Point can be locked by the Parameter Lock function, that works. Unfortunately the other ones are changing between registrations also if Parameter Lock is set.

Havn't checked the other Parameter Lock options.

Regards
Ulrich

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ulrich:
[B]Mario,

"I checked your problem on my 9000PRO V2.02.
The MasterEQ Parameter Lock is working on my board without any problems."

Ulrich:
Thanks for checking into this problem. You can consider yourself lucky, since the Master EQ and none of the other parameters are working on my PSR9k and previously on my PRO (with the exception of the Mic settings)
Did you try going thru "several" registrations while on Master EQ screen? In my KB they all change when I do.
As to the Split Point, why only the Acompaniment part and not the others? How about the return levels on Reverb, Chorus and DSP3? how about Reverb Type?
None of them work for me. I would appreciate it a lot if you check into those as well.
Best Regards,
Mario

Mario.

I can't understand.
I checked the parameter lock ( Master equal. and split point )that works fine.
2.2 version installed.
Remember: You must to press the "A" button after any modification in the registration banks, OTS or music database.
Regards,
Chico

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 09-22-2002).]

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 09-22-2002).]

why doesn't everyone have V3.2 installed?

Hi Dnj.

2.02 is the last version for 9000Pro.
Ok?
Chico

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 09-22-2002).]

I stand corrected.....thought you had the 9k

sorry

Dnj

HI: Mario
I just checked my 9000 PRO version 2.02 & to my surprise,
Parameter Lock.

Split Point (works, didn't try if it works on the 3rd split)
Master EQ (works)
Mic Setting (works)
Reverb Type (works)
Line Out (works)
Fingering (works
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reverb Return Level (does not lock in the mixer settings)
Chorus Return Level (does not lock in the mixer settings)
DSP Return Level ( does not lock in the mixer settings)

But what does Return Level mean, is that the same as
the Reverb, Chorus, & DSP settings in the mixing console ?
As the last 3 have Return Level behind them,
maybe that is some thing else.

I was surprised that they worked, because they didn't with version 1.
I haven't tried them since I first got the KB because they didn't work,
so I just set everything up on Registrations & then I don't worry about
the parameter lock.

Enjoying the 9000 PRO
Denny
PS: Maybe someone can tell me what Return Level means.
Return Level sounds to me like this would be
the Level coming back from outboard mixer or
other outboard gear. Don't Know !!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by dlstarry (edited 09-22-2002).]

Denny:
Thanks for taking the time. One of the parmeters that I need to lock the most is the Reverb setting in the Mixer console and with the ACMP Split Point, and neither one of them stay unchanged when I go thru different registrations. Volumes I expect them to change since there is no parameter for it to lock them.
As far as Return Levels go, just like you,I am at a loss since I don't really know what they mean. all I know is that they don't lock either.
Regards,
Mario

[This message has been edited by Mario (edited 09-22-2002).]

HI: Mario
The Reverb setting in the mixing console does not
lock in the PRO, But the Reverb Type does.

In the parameter lock screen it say's Reverb Type
and that's what locks.

At first when I seen the Reverb Return Level I was
thinking it meant the amount of Reverb, in (the settings
in the mixing console) but now I think it might mean
something else.
I hope someone can tell us what it means !!!!!!!!!!!!

Enjoying the 9000 PRO
Denny