Ok, I'm truly impressed with Tyros' "new" mega sounds, but . . .

Does the new Yamaha Tyros (or Yamaha 9000pro) allow you to independantly 'freeze' just the 'left voice' instrument part? I need to be able to quickly select different styles and then select any one of its 4 associated OTS (one touch) setups, but have the 'left voice' remain on the 'acoustic piano' patch, even though the OTS 'left voice' setting may be different.

One thing I really appreciate about MY specific Yamaha PSR2000 keyboard is that (thru a lucky (for me) early version OS glitch: a bug?), I'm able to achieve the above.

As a pianist, I usually comp (piano style) with my left hand, so need the 'left voice' to remain on the 'acoustic piano' patch most all of the time.

Unfortunately, the current PSR2000 OS version, no longer allows you to freeze just the 'left voice'.

The ability to independantly freeze just the 'left voice instrument part' has become a critically IMPORTANT feature to me when performing. Does the Ketron XD9 or Technics KN7000 support this? Am I destined to playing my 'early version' OS PSR2000 forever?

I hope someone can provide feedback & information on this.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

HI: Scott
You can just freeze the left voice on the
9000 PRO.
Although I never use it, I just got used to
programing everything into my registrations,
including the left voice.
But either way works.
Denny

Hi Denny:

WOW, if what you're saying is true, this is TERIFIC news ! I had thought you could only freeze 'all' the panel voices (main layer, left) together, not just the left voice independently.

Please tell me exactly HOW you're able to accomplish this on the 9000pro. Is there a specific 'LEFT voice only' freeze setting available on the 9000pro?

- Scott

HI: Scott
It was very nice talking with you this afternoon on the phone.
Well you thought I should try to explain the Freeze Function
of the 9000 PRO. I have know idea how to do that.

But anyway after are talk I played around with it some more,
then got the manual out & Dadgum it works like the manual
say's.

If you want to lock the Left voice go to the Freeze Screen &
check ACMP. this will also lock the style from changing with
the Memory Registration's, BUT you can change the style by
going to the Presets, or Flash Style's & changing them there.

If you want to lock the Right voice's put a check mark in the
voice box on the Freeze Screen page, But this lock's all 3
voice's from changing, & here again they can be changed
by going to the preset voices & change from there.

In the Voice Set Screen putting a check mark in the Voice Box
of Right 1, Right 2, Right 3, Left, determines if parameters like
Release Time, Voice Octave, Poly/Mono, Portamento Time,
Harmonic Content, & Brightness, change or not when you change
Voice's.

I hope I have come close to explaining this so somebody knows
what I'm talking about because I don't. (he he he)

But I still LOVE the 9000 PRO
Denny

Scott ,

Have you tried putting your left hand in the freezer ? get it ? freezer ? dano

Ok, here's the latest in the continuing saga of: "The Mystery of the Left Wing Freeze"

It appears, after my telephone discussion with Denny, that both the Yamaha 9000pro (current OS) and also the PSR2000 (at least on the older OS version), that the left voice setting is stored in Registration Memory Contents in the 'style (acmp)' section, and NOT in the more expected location: 'voices' section, where the Main (rt1), Layer (rt2), and Left voices are stored. This goes beyond conventional wisdom, but hey, I guess Yamaha is not conventional (how boring), but because of this, it IS possible (as Denny attests) to freeze 'just the left part' by simply selecting (mark the checkbox) the 'style (acmp)' in the Freeze Window and turning ON the Freeze button. I tried this on my kb and it WORKS on the 2000 too. YIPEE What's interesting is that even though you are supposedly freezing both the style (acmp) and the left voice, you effectively really only freeze the left voice, because when I then select another style from the Style section, the style changes (along with new Main (rt1) and Layer (rt2) voices, but the Left parts remains unchanged. I'm of course estatic that it is possible to freeze the left voice part on both my PSR2000 & 9000pro now. I wonder why this was not covered in the manual whatsoever !

I had thought (just rumor?) that the PSR2000 newer OS version moved the Reg Memory Contents: Left Voice storage location from being stored in the 'style (acmp)' section to 'voices' section. If that really is the case, then I'd suspect that the left part freezing would not be possible on later PSR2000 models. Perhaps this OS update change never really took place?!

Anyway, I'm beginning to feel a lot more confident (crossing my fingers) that the Tyros will work the same way as the 9000pro and PSR2000 (my OS version) in this regard. If so, I'm definitely going with a Tyros, a logical upgrade from the PSR2000 (though still a terrific keyboard which I'll keep as a secondary kb for small venues where built in speakers are required).

Thanks to Denny Starry for helping me solve this issue, and helping me finally figure out that the PSR2000 does support freezing just the left voice in the SAME way the 9000pro does. Life is good (for today).

OK, Danny, gonna take my hand out of the freezer now. ouch ! Freezer burn [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img]

WONDERFUL NEWS! I just received word from a friend (in France) who who actually already owns a Yamaha Tyros . . . probably one of the first ones released. He tried out the Left Voice 'freeze procedure' which I outlined above, and confirmed that it works on the Tyros the SAME way it works on my PSR2000 and Denny's 9000pro. I'm going to bed tonight with a SMILE on my face. I'm sure you all know what keyboard I'm purchasing now.

PS: My Tyros friend also confirmed that he was able to successfully load my PSR2000 MusicFinder file into the Tyros MusicFinder as well. There were a few isolated glitches, but those can easily & quickly corrected (edited) using Fabien's excellent Music Finder Editor Utility. The Tyros also uses the same Style setup as PSR2000 , so Yamaha styles with integrated OTS will play on Tyros perfectly.

Dan, we need to talk...

Scottyee,

This feature is available on the Ketron X, XD and Sd1 products (LOWERS LOCK). No matter what style/registration is later re-called, the voices for the lowers will remain 'frozen'.

Thanks,

AJ

Hi AJ GREAT NEWS to hear it's indeed possible to LOCK the 'left' voice on both the XD9 & SD1. Exactly WHERE and HOW is this feature accessed? Hope it's conveniently located so you don't have to page thru sub-menus to get to it.

AJ (or others): Please tell me what page of the XD9 manual this feature is covered in?

Thanks, - Scott

The storing of the left hand voice in the STYLE is discussed in some detail in the PSR-2000 Tutorial lesson on Creating OTS. ( http://pages.prodigy.net/watersj/Yamaha2K/Intermediate/I_AdjStyles/IA_OTS/ia_ots.html )
In the process of explaining how to create OTS, the lesson explains precisely what gets stored where when saving a setup to OTS (and registration memory.)

The similarity of the Music Finder in the Tyros to that in the 2000 is also discussed in the Beginner Lessons on the Music Finder. In fact, this weekend I added screen shots from the Tyros that mirror the functionality of the PSR-2000 screen shots. The record structure is the same, how you load and save mfd files is the same, even the maximum records available is the same (2,500 for both the Tyros and the PSR-2000). By the way, this weekend, I uploaded an even larger master Music Finder database with 2,100 records. I've also provided a Microsoft Word document with the MF song/style/tempo data for those who don't have a PSR-2000 (or Tyros or CVP).

Joe,
Thanks for putting this info up. I'm sure its going to come in real handy when we all start taking del. on Tyros. The pics. are a plus.
thanks, Lou