As a giging musician who needs to setup/breakdown both quickly and
frequently (sometimes multiple gigs/day), I'm curious how long it takes to setup the Tyros satellite speakers and sub woofer.

1) Are all the connecters standard jack (1/4" or 1/8" mini jack) type plugs which can be easily connected & disconnected? What plugs into what?

2) How quickly (minutes/seconds) and easily is it to attach/dettach the satellite speaker 'brackets' to the keyboard? Does it require a special type screwdriver: philips, standard, or specialized screwdriver head?

3) For frequent gig transport, is it recommended to keep the speaker brackets permanently attached to the keybord or are the brackets (plastic or metal?) too vulnerable to breakage/damage when transported this way in a soft (yet heavily padded) carrying case?

Thanks in advance.

Scott

About 4 days Scott.....

:-) Seriously, it takes me about 1 minute to remove them, I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Of course I dont remove the brackets, though 4 posidrive screws shouldn't take more than a minute to remove!
It would be quite easy if you are mechanically minded to screw a pair of slide-plates to the back of the tyros and to the brackets, and then simply clip them on and off. I'm sure it wouldn't be too tricky to make something up for this purpose. I'll look around and let you guys know of anything suitable.
I did put this question to Yamaha, they told me the brackets and fixings were very strong and shouldnt be a problem (though I wouldnt chance it myself). The brackets screw into a metal chassis inside the tyros, the brackets themselves are strong moulded plastic.


Simon


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Simon , I knew you were a blonde . dano

One thing that hasn't been addressed is how those brackets will affect using a case with the Tyros. The idea of screwing something onto and off of a keyboard everytime you use it doesn't sound very practical, but leaving those protruding brackets on the keyboard is bound to be a liability to either the brackets or the case the Tyros is in. And I'll just bet that Yamaha isn't going to get involved in this debate by actually making their own travel case for the Tyros. Has anyone heard about Yamaha's plans to produce a case for the Tyros?

I guess Yamaha believes the speaker system is only intended for home users, those who gig with it would probably be using external PA and not the speaker system. I agree though that repeatingly removing and replacing the brackets would eventually damage the threads over long term.

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Yes Simon, but if you read many of the posts here, you'll see that even pro users enjoy the benefits of having near-field monitors. In fact, this has been a major selling feature for arrangers over the years. Certainly the mounted speakers are a big part of any home user's needs but you'll find that the majority of pro users would rather have them than not. I would guess that most pro Tyros owners will buy the Tyros speakers and just deal with those protruding mounting brackets as best they can. I'm still curious as to whether Yamaha will attempt to make a Tyros travel case at some point.

OK Svpworld ,with training,less than
10 seconds
OK Le Pro My sales man have available
soft case,soft case with wheels and hard case.I have buy soft case for 80$
All this cases for TYROS

As the Pro pointed out so well, when gigging, many performers (like myself) need on board speakers to serve as a personal monitoring system only, as the main signal goes to a much larger professional PA system.

After reading people's view's about the Tyros speaker brackets, I'm beginning to think this may not be the best option for frequent multiple event/day gigging.

Another idea I've considered is to forget the brackets altogether, and just place the speakers directly on top of the Tyros keyboard, securing them to the kb with industrial strength velcro strips with adhesive backing. My only concern though is that the speakers would not be optimally angled (directed) toward your ears, but directed down toward your chest instead. Do you guys think mounting the satellite speakers in this way would negataively affect the sound quality heard in any appreciable way?

One of the limitations of using a PC computer type speaker configuration (two tiny satellite speakers plus a floor positioned sub woofer) as the Tyros speaker system uses , is that you lose a lot of the all important mid-low frequencies, so . . .

a possible better sounding monitioring solution would be to find small 'footprint dimensioned' powered speakers (type that don't rely on a floor positioned subwoofer) that are larger than the Tyros Satellite speakers, but still small enough to sit on top of the Tyros. I was wondering if there are any self powered 'near field' monitors available that are 'SMALL enough' to be accomodated to sit on top of the Tyros?

Also, can anybody tell me what the maximum speaker footprint dimensions (L& W) that the top of the Tyros can accomodate?

All feedback appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott

Scott and everybody,

I spoke with Mark Anderson about this issue this morning. The speaker brackets are pretty flat and should not cause a problem with a case or gig bag. Nevertheless, I can see that these speakers are not for everybody. We're looking into another bracket that will mount to the back of the Tyros where the speaker brackets and the music rest brackets attach, allowing for larger speakers (e.g. Yamaha MSP5s) to be used. I'm not promising anything, but it looks like it will work to me. What do you guys think?

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Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America

Hi Steve and all,

As I don't think I would utilize the Tyros music rack myself, I strongly endorse your idea of utilizing the music stand's screw holes in tandem with the screw holes used for the above mentioned brackets to hold a special shelf which could securely HOLD a pair of Yamaha MSP5's or the smaller MSP3's.

Both the MSP3's footprint size and weight is quite a bit less than the MSP5's. Is there sufficient room on top of the Tyros to accomodate sitting the MSP3's directly on top of the keyboard?

I realize that the MSP5's have better sound quality, but wondering if the smaller & lighter MSP3's sound is as good as the Tyros speakers, and good enough for live performance personal monitoring? The problem with the Tyros speaker system is a loss of the all important mid-low frequencies, so I suspect even the MSP3's would be BETTER than the Tyros specific speakers in this area.

Yamaha MSP3 Self Powered Monitor:

http://yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gPWS00008MSP3

Yamaha MSP5 Self Powered Monitor:

http://yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gPWS00008MSP5

I look forward to getting feedback and advice about this.

Scott

The speaker bracket idea for larger speakers sounds promising if it's easily detachable, say with thumbscrews. There's not much doubt that the current music stand and speaker brackets protrude somewhat as currently designed and could cause some problem if left attached when transporting. Maybe something as simple as replacing the bracket mounting hardware with thumbscrews would solve this. I would like having hardware mounting options that allow for a variety of speaker combinations. Thanks for asking.

I think if you bolted a shelf to the keyboard - whatever you place on it will bounce like crazy, unless you actually "tickle" the ivories (plastics!)
Anything you set on top - better be fastened well !

I have to agree with Dave on this very crucial issue for a busy giging musician.......

No Speakers .....No Tyros!

I believe the keyboard 'bounce' comes from the stand, particularly if you use an X type stand. I notice little (if any at all) bounce when I place my keyboard on my Quick Lok brand Monolith stand . . .

http://www.quiklok.com/search_list.taf?_function=detail&Layout_0_uid1=33262

and I've even been known to give the 2000's plasticy toy keys on the PSR2000 quite a workout . . . . yet . . . this kb keeps on going , just like that Duracell bunny.

At this point, it seems like the Tyros is the best kb upgrade option for me right now, otherwise stick with the PSR2000 till the next arranger keyboard offering. I'll audition the Tyros (if and when it finally arrives) and make a final decide then. The Technics KN7000 is a built in speaker possibility but the cheezy vocalizer, inconvenient drum fill to variation, weak drums, and poor split mode jazz chord recognition are keeping me luke warm about goig that route. On the other hand, playing the KN7000 jazz & swing styles in full keyboard mode is a total JOY! I especialy like the KN7000 Steinway piano sample.

Scott,

Whats stopping you from trying the KN7k next?

1) CHEESY sounding feature-less vocalizer:

Utilizing an outboard vocalizer is not an option. It's mcuh better to be able to store the vocalizer settings along with all the other song's settings in the keyboard.

2) In split mode, KN7000 only recognizes real BASIC elementary chord voicings:

Contrary to full keyboard mode, the KN7000 in 'split mode' does not recognize the more professional sophisticated chord voicings commonly used in left handed acoustic piano style comping. I NEVER mute the left voice so the part (acoustic piano)played in the left hand is always heard while my right hand plays instrumental solos. Playing and hearing just vanilla sounding root style chords when playing the jazz standards sounds down right hokey.

3) Weak anemic drum fills and lack of a convenient one button fill approach when moving to/from ANY variation.

All the above features are critical elements to my playing style. A keyboard with 'built-in' speakers is definitely very high on my list, but not at the expense of the above features.

Do you change Voc settings much?

hey Donny,

here's a real simple song example of what I'm talking about:

reg 1 (verse 1)vocalizer: OFF
reg 2 (verse 2)vocalizer: std duet
reg 3 (chorus)vocalizer: mixed choir
reg 4 (verse 3) vocalizer: OFF
reg 5 (verse 4)vocalizer: 2 female singers
reg 6 (chorus) vocalizer: mixed choir

All the above settings are saved in the PSR2000's memory registration (along with all the other KB settings) and then called up via foot pedal controler via Registration Sequence advance in REAL time. BTW: Drum fills preceding each Reg change are also automatically triggered upon each Reg Memory advance. As I've repeated so MANY times, I can't over emphasize how dynamic drum fills at the right places offer live energy which can really turn ON the performance and subsequently the audience..

The Technics KN7000 does NOT allow you to do this, at least as far as I could tell when in the music store auditioning it. Perhaps a Technics KN7000 owner here could provide a more definitive answer regarding that.



[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 11-18-2002).]

Thats interesting. I don't know if the 9k units can do that also. I pretty much use only 1 or 2 voc styles for most of my songs, Country girls and Mens choir, controled by pedal on/off in one reg.

I've uploaded some photos now of how the speakers attached to the tyros at the tyrosworld discussion group (photos area).

Simon


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My 2000 must've had Duracell batteries, it's the ENERGIZER bunny that's still going ....

Just FYI,

Yamaha corporation of America will be offereing cases for Tyros (hard shell and bag) both accommodate not only the speaker/music rest brackets, but also hold the speakers & music rest (not the woofer, though). They have been specially made for the product.

Regards,



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Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America

Steve,
Thanks and very cool news to put some of this ongoing speaker debate to rest. Unless of course the case is $14,000.00 and we will then have a new debate I'm sure.
jam on,
Terry