So the midijay has a better sound engine than the SD1plus or is it the same engine with a higher playback freq?

Are there new styles and sounds on the MJ compared tp the SD1plus?

I have the G70 and PA1xpro, for on the fly play and adjustments, and overall play ability, the G70 wins hands down. The PA1xpro has great sounds but I think the styles and midi playback takes alot of work to get up there.

So I'm interested in selling the PA1xpro and possibly getting a Ketron for their great styles and sounds, but I don't want to buy old technology either.

And on the same site, if you go to the SD1 download page:

http://www.ketronus.com/downloads.html#sd1sounds

and scroll down to the bottom, you'll find a comparison between the Ketron models.

I was kinda surprised to read the sampling spec that Dreamer quoted in an earlier post.



I would have thought that was a "norm" considering it's been the CD standard since the early 80's. I guess not. Does anybody know what the spec is of a board like the SD1 or Tyros or PA1X, etc.?

-mike

Hi Frankieve: What specifically about the PA1Xpro styles are you referring to here?

I recall reading that the PA1xpro had initially suffered from 'sync-timing' issues when triggering fills or going from one style variation to another, but that this is now fixed, following an OS update. True?

One of the things I so appreciate with Yamaha arrangers, is their ability to smoothly syncronize user triggered fills & style variation transition changes, even if you don't trigger (via button or footpedal) the fill or style variation change exactly on the beat. Curious how the auto accomp fills & style variation transitions on the PA1Xpro, G70, and SD1 compare in this regard.

Scott

Frank,
The Midjay comes with a rather limited supply of styles, BUT styles from the SD1 are readily available and the loading, storing and organizing is quick and easy, once you learn the OS.
The SD1 has as converter to use MS styles, while the Midjay does not. However converted styles are available everywhere.
DonM

Scott,

The fill/intro/ending is great on the G70, the PA1xpro has been fixed but I still feel/hear a change the is not as smooth as the G70 or Tyros when hitting fills.

When talking about the styles it just seems that they seem very empty or plain, I noticed that on some styles once I have changed some sounds and volume controls I can thicken them up, same as with the G70. Actually this weekend I did some on the fly adjustments of styles on the G70 and wow did this machine start to wake up, to the point where I'm looking forward to change some other styles

Do you get the same sounds on the Midjay as you do on the SD1? I don't know why I was under the impression that the midjay had a very small number of sounds.

Really the only solo sounds I tried were the piano and a couple of guitars. They sounded just like the SD1 to me. My friend Hank is the one that has it, and he uses it strictly for the styles, midi and MP3 play. I can't tell that the styles or midi sound any different from the SD1, which I have.
DonM

Frankieve,

I'm very curious as to your answer to this question....

Which keyboard out of the BIG three do you like the best; G70, Pax1pro, Tyros? And Why?

Al

Well, I think the problem is that the things I like may be more important to me than others so this would be just my opinion.

I guess we can start by visual, the G70 looks the best, I have gotten so many compliments on the look of this board fron keyboards players to family members. On the opposite side, I have gotten jokes about the Tyros, looks like your flying a spaceship. Are the lights big enough, looks like a disco dance floor. the PA would be in the middle.

You know I love the G70, the sounds are there, some very hidden also I noticed that the Roland sounds seem to be tweaked for live play, meaning, you can only hear the brilliance of a PA1x sound when nothing else is playing.

the g70 has a great on the fly adjustemnts of styles and songs. a great registration system and a perfect song selection ability.

the styles of the 3 are tough, I tend to like alot of the Tyros styles, but the have a very thin sound to the whole keyboard, the Korg has great styles but they seem empty compared to the others.

I have to say the Ketron SD1 has the most usable styles and the best blend of sounds,

We need a 75% of Ketron Styles, the Rest taken from Tyros and Roland.

use 50% of the sounds from Ketron and the other half from G70 and PA1xpro.

Then I feel that the ease of the G70 and Tyros operating system, and the depth of the PA1xpro,

Also thumbs up to Korg for always having updates.

So I have benn giggin with the G70, the vocalizer actually works

But Frankie, what about the terrible sounds swimming in effects and the oop pah pah [over quanitized] styles I hear from non/owner people..?

You mean they are wrong about the G70?

Yes I already know they are wrong and I haven't played a G70 yet..

I know the styles are great[they sound great on my G1000]...and they "swing" to me...maybe you have to play the right hand with a swing feel!!

Have you tried the SD1 styles converted to the G70?

Send me some of your favorite[or all] SD1 styles and I can try to convert them to Roland..
Actually I would appreciate the SD1 styles for conversion purposes..maybe I would use some with my G1000, till I get a chance to pick up a G70..

Unfortunately, I no longer own an SD1 ( bad move ) I think another plus on the SD1 is they use wave loops of drums for their rythm section which gives them a little more umph.

As for the G70 swimming in effects and have that quantize sound to it? If you condeming the whole keyboard for a style or 2, that's a little much, the only style that I would have to say is maybe the folk waltz, which by the way it is so easy to adjust.

My dilema is I keep the G70, keep the PA for the sounds, but I want a Ketron for the styles

Thanks Frankieve,

The Styles issue is puzzling to me. Why can't you find knockout styles that you like and just put them in the Roland G70? I have 1000's of styles, some of them from the Ketron Sd1 in my Tyros. I would think they can be used on the G70.

BTW, those Ketron styles I have for the Tyros do not sound very good at all. I don't think they ported over too well.

Al

Unfortunately I've always had bad luck with styles from other keyboards converted, they just don't seem to sound anywhere near the originals.

Maybe I've gotten from bad sources, or they just don't translate as good?