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#173354 - 01/27/04 11:00 AM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
nardoni2002 Offline
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the pro, you say that you are not really happy with the yamaha ,roland and korg,,,have you thought about the GENESYS PRO,mike

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#173355 - 01/27/04 11:03 AM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
DonM Offline
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I downloaded the Genesys Pro manual last night and read the entire thing. If the Pro is anywhere close to as great as the manual says it is, I'll have to have one.
And, by the way, the manual is well-written, in simple, easy-to-follow language.
DonM
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#173356 - 01/27/04 11:35 AM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
The Pro Offline
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Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Quote:
Originally posted by nardoni2002:
the pro, you say that you are not really happy with the yamaha ,roland and korg,,,have you thought about the GENESYS PRO,mike


No - that's not the point. This is about creating a relatively low-cost, lightweight, customizable, VSTi-based workstation suitable for live use.
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#173357 - 01/27/04 11:42 AM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Jim....I keep hearing about the latency problem regarding playing styles with softsynth... etc ....can you elaborate more?

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#173358 - 01/27/04 11:58 AM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
Starkeeper Offline
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If there are latency issues it's a software issue not harware (so it will eventually be resolved). Todays keyboards do not run on Pentium 4 at 3 gig hz.
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#173359 - 01/27/04 12:04 PM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
Bluezplayer Offline
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Registered: 11/10/00
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Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
I have no latency problems with my setup at all, except with the VSC88 ( which I don't use much ), and the SYxg-50 module ( which has fair sounds at best anyway ).

My audiophile card handles the rest of my software synths at about 5 ms of latency, which is fast enough that I can't actually notice the delay whatsoever.

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#173360 - 01/27/04 01:07 PM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
The Pro Offline
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Registered: 07/09/02
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Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Quote:
Originally posted by Starkeeper:
If there are latency issues it's a software issue not harware (so it will eventually be resolved). Todays keyboards do not run on Pentium 4 at 3 gig hz.
Starkeeper


Incorrect. Latency issues are always related to the drivers that your hardware audio interface is compatible with. The better low-latency sound cards come with ASIO drivers. In my studio computer I use an M-Audio 1010LT card with ASIO drivers and get extremely low latency. With my laptop I use a Tascam US-122 which also has ASIO drivers and it too performs well with softsynths.

There has been some attempts to make a generic ASIO driver that would work with any WDM soundcard but that has not gotten anywhere so far. Also some MIDI controllers have an audio interface built-in with ASIO but for some unknown reason noone has made one larger than 61 keys yet.

The Cybernet computer I mention at the beginning of this thread allows (1) PCI card to be installed, so that is where I would put a good soundcard w/ASIO to make the computer work with softsynths.
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#173361 - 01/27/04 03:08 PM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Jim....without sounding lke an idiot could you or someone post a short Glossary/Definitions of all these Terms & Abreviations used in this topic such as ASIO, Drivers, WDM, Latency, etc, etc, so that we can be more familiar with what we are reading.

Thanx

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 01-27-2004).]

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#173362 - 01/27/04 03:28 PM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
The Pro Offline
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My unofficial but pretty close definitions:

ASIO: Audio Stream In/Out - a driver format invented by Steinberg that bypasses the computer processor, allowing low-latency.
WDM: Windows Driver Model - a common Windows driver standard.
Latency: the delay between triggering a note and hearing it. Less than 8ms is desireable.
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#173363 - 01/27/04 04:19 PM Re: Building the Perfect Beast
Dnj Offline
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thanx Jim.....now were startin to understand the lingo..

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