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#174615 - 03/28/02 12:10 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Donny, Scott would not need a back up keyboard, if he had a good one to start with. Lesson: don't sell your work horse for a new pony..Fran[G1000!!]
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#174616 - 03/28/02 12:14 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Dnj Offline
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I hear ya Fran,

the Roland G1000 is definitly a proven Workhorse for sure!

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#174617 - 03/28/02 12:58 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
jedi Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for your kind offer, I may contact you. and thanks for your help, I`m glad that you got yours 2000 working? again
thanks,
jedi

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#174618 - 03/28/02 01:32 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Fran, there were many reasons I sold my G800, but the two main ones were: the weight, unbearable, and the fact that I could not depend on it to work. The joystick spring broke two weeks after I bought it. I would have been without it for a couple of weeks, so I took it apart, cut off the broken piece and put it back together.
It frequently locked up and had to be rebooted. I always kept a Yamaha in the van as backup. My experience with the G800 has kept me from even trying later models. Maybe they have addressed these issues, as you have had unquestioned success with yours.
I have never had a Yamaha or Technics keyboard fail me in close to 20 years of using them. Of course they are not perfect, but then, what is?
My main concern with Yamaha is not in the quality of their products but in the deceitful manner in which they market them. They announce a "new" keyboard and then it's not available for a year or more. They advertise flash rom upgrades and then "change their mind".
No doubt Scott nor I would have purchased the 2000 if we knew it didn't have flash rom upgrade capability. Having said this, it is still the best value for the money I've ever seen in a keyboard. However, I would most likely have purchased a 9000 Pro (despite the size and weight) had they been truthful in their marketing. So I guess they cost themselves money in that respect. Now I will wait to see what everybody has to offer before choosing my next one. I have until the end of the year before I feel it necessary to change works out better for tax purposes to buy one every year). The 2000 is doing almost everything it should, but I will most likely not be a Yamaha customer in the future, mostly out of principle.
DonM
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#174619 - 03/28/02 02:20 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
First of all:

The G1000 is not a work horse ...... it's a freakin' CLYDSDALE !

Second:

Don,
If you had a 9kpro ..... you (and your OLD back)would not last two weeks! It's very heavy, very long, and very silent!(remember....no speakers....lean over all you want - no difference !)

I strongly advise anyone that is not happy at present (myself, included) to sit tight, and wait till something really radical come out. There is NOTHING really new in the portable area on the horizon yet. Don't start speculations about Tyro's or kn7000 or Genesis UNTIL they are on the shelves.
This is a huge, corporate game to generate early interrest. Be like the older, more mature bull, and WALK down the hill to where the cows are grazing. (remember THAT joke???)

Yamaha had a giant wake up call after this 2000 was released, and I'm sure they will not let these suggestions go unheard. We are very fortunate that the very "ears" of the staff are all over this forum ! Our thoughts go DIRECTLY to the man that can make a difference! Mark Anderson checks these posts regularly, and he is THE man to make suggestions to. He's a product specialist, but more importantly .... he's a PLAYER. Not an engineer.(maybe both, I don't know)

Point is: PLAYERS know what players need. He's on to our situation, and he is talking to all the right people where it can do the most good.

As for me - the 2000 is still one of the easiest boards I've ever owned. I'm going to hang in there a while longer and see what breaks first .... the keys, or news of a new, upgraded, more PRO model !
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#174620 - 03/28/02 06:20 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Dave, as you may recall, I did lug the PSR9000 around for more than a year, before I unloa..., I mean traded, it to you.
As far as Yamaha, I'm not from Missouri, as Nobby is, but they are going to have to SHOW ME. I truly believe the USA people are interested and that they care. I also truly believe that Japan does not listen to much they have to say.
We are in total agreement that the thing to do right now is wait, wait, wait. Until they get the keyboards out, and then until they get the bugs out. It has been more than 4 months since I bought my 2000. No upgrade despite the best efforts of Yamaha USA. Mr. Anderson--you can jump in here any time that I say something that is not correct.
DonM
P.S. If you are listening, how about making the footswitch control have a "momentary" option. That way, when using the harmonizer, you can hold it down for on, and release it for off. Digitech's stand-alone units have always had this feature, and it is much easier (for me) to operate in this manner.
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#174621 - 03/28/02 06:54 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Don, I used a Roland G800. I had a gig[UD ]for 10 months[it was one of those indefinate jobs],My vocalist partner was Joe Pellegrino[the TV sportscaster]. Every night, once a night the G800 shut down and rebooted automatically. Poor Joe was at a lost when this happened, I think he started to have his Dangerfield jokes ready to go..This keyboard worked perfectly during the week at home, but at work,nightmares, usually at the height of Joe's performance....Any way, my repair guy[my Father]checked things out. It turned out not to be the G800, but the power strip I used all that time..Once a night it would arc from one side of the electric bar to the other side. It never tripped the breaker, so I never figured it to be the problem. I decided a while back not to worry about a backup[never needed one yet, 40 years],,besides if my board goes down, I'll just go home and check the posts..
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#174622 - 03/28/02 07:11 PM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
how about making the footswitch control have a "momentary" option. That way, when using the harmonizer, you can hold it down for on, and release it for off.


Don,

I dunno about your PSR000, but on mine, I'm able to easily switch the foot pedal setting to a 'momentary' setting by simply switching the Pedal's polarity (plus/minus) setting in the Function>Controler>Pedal settings window. Works like a charm for me when I use the vocal harmonizer. Btw, you can also store this setting as a part of Reg Memory. Hope it work for you. - Scott
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#174623 - 03/29/02 01:39 AM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Wow, I can't wait until tomorrow to try it, Scott.
DonM
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#174624 - 03/29/02 11:56 AM Re: A Silly Question for PSR2000 Owners !
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Hi DonM,

I think I need to clarify by saying that 'switching' the foot pedal polarity settings will only partially accomplish what you are after.

On my PSR2000, when I set the foot pedal polarity to +, I must both press the foot pedal down and then release it before the vocalizer feature is activated. On the other hand, if set it's to - , then the vocalizer is activated immediately upon initially pressing the foot pedal. Unfortunately (with the foot pedal polarity set at either minus or positive), disabling the vocal harmonies requires that you both press and release the foot controler, so unfortunatley, the 'momentary type' function you may be wanting is not supported on the 2000. My apologies for the possible confusion in my last post. Though I agree with you that a true momentary switch would be preferable, I've been able to adapt to the PSR2000's supported foot pedal activation feature quite well. - Scott
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