I've owned my Yamaha PSR2000 for over 4 months now and must always first load a Registration Bank & Reg Memory before any sound can be heard from the KB. This procedure has become a 'second nature' habit for to me now, but I somehow recall (when I purchased the KB?), that I was able to initially power and then play it (hearing the sounds), without having to load in a registration bank first. Is this just wishful thinking on my part, or are others of you able to initally power up and play the PSR2000 (hearing sound when playing the Keys) without having to load in a Registration FIRST? Thanks in advance for your response. - Scott

You must have changed something, Scott. When I turn on my PSR2000, it comes up with Heartbeat style loaded and as soon as I hit a key, off it goes launching into Hearbeat -- a style, I'm not particularly wild about. But, all the sounds play perfectly fine.

the keyboard should always come on with the grand piano sound. If not, you've glitched something. Hold down the highest white key while turning on the unit and this will initialize the keyboard back to it's factory settings. You will not loose anything in the user memory when you do this. After doing this you should be able to turn off the keyboard and then on again and you will hear the piano. If not, you've got a problem!
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

Thanks Guys for the quick response.

I guess it wasn't 'just my imagination' that I remember my PSR2000 working the way Joe Waters described, a while back. I guess the problem I've been experiencing has been going on for some time now as it's become such a routine habit for me to get to the gig and load up my custom registration memory bank first thing, that I hadn't given it a thought that it used to play without loading up a Reg Memory Bank first.

Actually what appears to be happening, on my 2000, is that (on initial startup), the Heartbeat style, as well as the Grand Piano patch is loaded (appears in the LCD screen), but that NO sound is heard. In fact, the ACMP starts up (the start button flashes) and style begins, just NO sound. I press the different OTS buttons and the Main/layer, and left selections change accordingly, but still NO sound. Once I load in a custom Registration Memory Bank though, everything works fine and the sound starts up, and changes correctly when the OTS buttons are changed or the style/sound selections are made manually. Everything continues to work correctly until I power down and then up again. Sounds like some kind of glitch on startup. I also reset the keyboard to factory default settings per George's instruction, as well as doing it via the Utility function window (system reset) , but this did not correct the problem either. Funny thing is that everything else about the keyboard seems to be working fine (no glitches). Funny thing is that I've kind of grown to like this glitchy problem, as having no sound at initial startup avoids having the Heartbeat style sounding inadvertantly (on stage) when setting up before the show. Still, I'm now wondering if I'd better send this back to Yamaha to avoid any other undesireable future problems which could relate to this. The other glitch (bug?!) on my PSR2000 which I've grown to like, is that the LEFT voice is stored with the style parameters, in Reg Memory Contents, rather than with the Main/Layer voices. This effectively allows you to freely switch the Reg Memory buttons (changing the Right/Layered parts) yet keeping the Left Part frozen. With the more recent ROM version, all voices are stored in the same place in Reg Memory Contents, so it's not possible to do this.

I'm sure these problems will require that I ship the KB back to Yamaha in Southern California and being without it for an extended period of time. Because I use the keyboard professionally on a daily basis, I'm now trying to figure out what to do. Does this mean I have to purchase another PSR2000 now? Now I wish I hadn't sold my Technics KN5000 so quickly. Any recommendations or suggestions?

Scott

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 03-27-2002).]

Hi,

Have you already tried to reset the keyboard (page 151 - owner's manual)?
Set all 5 boxes and Reset.

Carlos Rodrigues

Hi Scott,
I get the same as "Joe and George" but mine dosen`t start do anything until I press a bunch of buttons to set-it-up or "organ sounds" , thats what I use the most. Funny thing on this end is that your only supposed to have 8 banks "right" well last night I was "playing around" with the paramiters and although they are not compltely full I have 9 registrations The board is very strange, no folders just banks 1-9 . I tried storing a 10th but it ended up "stuck" between 1+2. So I don`t know what to say it`s a bummer having to get stuff repaired (even if Yamaha flips - the- bill, which they should.) You have helped me in the past I`m sorry I can`t you now, but I do wish you the best of luck O-BTW you had a KN6500 at one time right? did you like it?
I`m trying to decide if I should "put-up" with the 2000 or spend a ton` o-money to get somthing that I can play without programing it every time I hit the power button But your right about one thing "sometimes you don`t like something , but after a while you learn to live with it. But in the 2000`s case that would require a long long time of putting up with,
Good Luck,
jedi

Scott,
Do you have your footpedals connected at start up? If you do, then the default assignment of volume must be set and your custom registrations call for sustain. At power up, the keyboard is probably getting a "zero" reading from the footswitch that is assigned to to the upper sound. Try it without the pedals connected, and see if that changes anything.

Joe, George, Rodrigues, Jedi, and Uncle Dave:

Thanks to ALL of your for your quick responses, and a very 'special' BIG thanks to you Uncle Dave for explaining 'exactly' what the problem WAS. If I leave the footswitch disconnected (at startup) everything works fine. I now remember (light bulb) when this all began. I had switched Yamaha's default sustain pedal assignment from pedal #1 to pedal #2 a while back, because I needed to use the SAME pedal to trigger pitch bend as well, as for some strange reason, the PSR2000 only allows you to assign pitch bend to pedal #2. Coincidentally , it was Uncle Dave who had suggested switching the sustain pedal assignment to #2 in order to have pitch bend & sustain triggered from the SAME pedal). I'm so grateful I don't need to send my keyboard in for repair now. I was really beginnng to start breaking out in a sweat. Thanks to the support of all you wonderful friends on this board, it's back to happily gigging with the PSR2000. This KB realy is awesome, despite some of its minor quirks. - Scott

Scott,

Wake up call? I think you should get a backup 2k just in case. I'd feel naked without one.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-28-2002).]

Jedi, The PSR2000 contains 8 Registration buttons per Registration Bank, but . . .
you can also optionally set up the keyboard to load 'multiple' banks of Registrations as well. If you are seeing more than 8 registrations, I somehow think you've got your KB configured to load up another Registration Bank when you've reached the end of Reg Bank #1.

Jedi, as a longtime Technics keyboard devotee myself, I still would recommend you STAY with the PSR2000. Though the KN6500 is certainly a great keyboard, it is more than double the cost of the PSR2000. I'm confident that you will be able to easily conqueor the problems (confusion?) you're having with Yamaha's Reg Memory. PLEASE email me privately and I will spend some time with you (possibly on the telephone) to explain how to configure the PSR2000's registration feature to work for you. - Scott

Donny, Scott would not need a back up keyboard, if he had a good one to start with. Lesson: don't sell your work horse for a new pony..Fran[G1000!!]

I hear ya Fran,

the Roland G1000 is definitly a proven Workhorse for sure!

Hi Scott,
Thanks for your kind offer, I may contact you. and thanks for your help, I`m glad that you got yours 2000 working? again
thanks,
jedi

Fran, there were many reasons I sold my G800, but the two main ones were: the weight, unbearable, and the fact that I could not depend on it to work. The joystick spring broke two weeks after I bought it. I would have been without it for a couple of weeks, so I took it apart, cut off the broken piece and put it back together.
It frequently locked up and had to be rebooted. I always kept a Yamaha in the van as backup. My experience with the G800 has kept me from even trying later models. Maybe they have addressed these issues, as you have had unquestioned success with yours.
I have never had a Yamaha or Technics keyboard fail me in close to 20 years of using them. Of course they are not perfect, but then, what is?
My main concern with Yamaha is not in the quality of their products but in the deceitful manner in which they market them. They announce a "new" keyboard and then it's not available for a year or more. They advertise flash rom upgrades and then "change their mind".
No doubt Scott nor I would have purchased the 2000 if we knew it didn't have flash rom upgrade capability. Having said this, it is still the best value for the money I've ever seen in a keyboard. However, I would most likely have purchased a 9000 Pro (despite the size and weight) had they been truthful in their marketing. So I guess they cost themselves money in that respect. Now I will wait to see what everybody has to offer before choosing my next one. I have until the end of the year before I feel it necessary to change works out better for tax purposes to buy one every year). The 2000 is doing almost everything it should, but I will most likely not be a Yamaha customer in the future, mostly out of principle.
DonM

First of all:

The G1000 is not a work horse ...... it's a freakin' CLYDSDALE !

Second:

Don,
If you had a 9kpro ..... you (and your OLD back)would not last two weeks! It's very heavy, very long, and very silent!(remember....no speakers....lean over all you want - no difference !)

I strongly advise anyone that is not happy at present (myself, included) to sit tight, and wait till something really radical come out. There is NOTHING really new in the portable area on the horizon yet. Don't start speculations about Tyro's or kn7000 or Genesis UNTIL they are on the shelves.
This is a huge, corporate game to generate early interrest. Be like the older, more mature bull, and WALK down the hill to where the cows are grazing. (remember THAT joke???)

Yamaha had a giant wake up call after this 2000 was released, and I'm sure they will not let these suggestions go unheard. We are very fortunate that the very "ears" of the staff are all over this forum ! Our thoughts go DIRECTLY to the man that can make a difference! Mark Anderson checks these posts regularly, and he is THE man to make suggestions to. He's a product specialist, but more importantly .... he's a PLAYER. Not an engineer.(maybe both, I don't know)

Point is: PLAYERS know what players need. He's on to our situation, and he is talking to all the right people where it can do the most good.

As for me - the 2000 is still one of the easiest boards I've ever owned. I'm going to hang in there a while longer and see what breaks first .... the keys, or news of a new, upgraded, more PRO model !

Dave, as you may recall, I did lug the PSR9000 around for more than a year, before I unloa..., I mean traded, it to you.
As far as Yamaha, I'm not from Missouri, as Nobby is, but they are going to have to SHOW ME. I truly believe the USA people are interested and that they care. I also truly believe that Japan does not listen to much they have to say.
We are in total agreement that the thing to do right now is wait, wait, wait. Until they get the keyboards out, and then until they get the bugs out. It has been more than 4 months since I bought my 2000. No upgrade despite the best efforts of Yamaha USA. Mr. Anderson--you can jump in here any time that I say something that is not correct.
DonM
P.S. If you are listening, how about making the footswitch control have a "momentary" option. That way, when using the harmonizer, you can hold it down for on, and release it for off. Digitech's stand-alone units have always had this feature, and it is much easier (for me) to operate in this manner.

Don, I used a Roland G800. I had a gig[UD ]for 10 months[it was one of those indefinate jobs],My vocalist partner was Joe Pellegrino[the TV sportscaster]. Every night, once a night the G800 shut down and rebooted automatically. Poor Joe was at a lost when this happened, I think he started to have his Dangerfield jokes ready to go..This keyboard worked perfectly during the week at home, but at work,nightmares, usually at the height of Joe's performance....Any way, my repair guy[my Father]checked things out. It turned out not to be the G800, but the power strip I used all that time..Once a night it would arc from one side of the electric bar to the other side. It never tripped the breaker, so I never figured it to be the problem. I decided a while back not to worry about a backup[never needed one yet, 40 years],,besides if my board goes down, I'll just go home and check the posts..

Don,

I dunno about your PSR000, but on mine, I'm able to easily switch the foot pedal setting to a 'momentary' setting by simply switching the Pedal's polarity (plus/minus) setting in the Function>Controler>Pedal settings window. Works like a charm for me when I use the vocal harmonizer. Btw, you can also store this setting as a part of Reg Memory. Hope it work for you. - Scott

Wow, I can't wait until tomorrow to try it, Scott.
DonM

Hi DonM,

I think I need to clarify by saying that 'switching' the foot pedal polarity settings will only partially accomplish what you are after.

On my PSR2000, when I set the foot pedal polarity to +, I must both press the foot pedal down and then release it before the vocalizer feature is activated. On the other hand, if set it's to - , then the vocalizer is activated immediately upon initially pressing the foot pedal. Unfortunately (with the foot pedal polarity set at either minus or positive), disabling the vocal harmonies requires that you both press and release the foot controler, so unfortunatley, the 'momentary type' function you may be wanting is not supported on the 2000. My apologies for the possible confusion in my last post. Though I agree with you that a true momentary switch would be preferable, I've been able to adapt to the PSR2000's supported foot pedal activation feature quite well. - Scott

Oh well, you had me all excited there. But I've gotten used to working it as it is anyway.
DonM

Don,
Scottyee's idea does change the polarity!
But you still have to push the sw, twice!
Sometimes I forget to push the button & come back in with harmony where I don't want it!
Nobby

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