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#174653 - 01/17/03 10:00 AM Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Any thoughts on how this would work with the YamaHA PSR 2000

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#174654 - 01/17/03 11:09 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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What a system!! Don't own a psr2000 or Motion Pro. Do you like organ music? Can you re-route right hand sounds to another port on the Y2K? I believe the PSR9000 can do this. If so organ sounds go into the horn port and accompaniment into the keyboard amp. Any other way of doing this? Can a mixer do this?
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#174655 - 01/17/03 11:17 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Darn good questions and I don't have a clue yet! I'll bet by tomorrow I will. Thanks for the input

Jerry

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#174656 - 01/17/03 11:27 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Nothing can imitate the sound of real spining horn tweeters IMHO. Sounds bounced 360 degrees off the wall. The Leslie mfg. use to call it sound in motion. Oh yea!
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#174657 - 01/17/03 01:23 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Another scenario that I'm very familiar with.

I owned the Motion Sound Pro3-t which is the spinning rotor equivalent of the KBD3D with a Hammond pre-amp tube built in. I sold it 2 weeks later. It just did not provide me with the incremental realism I was getting over and above the PSR 9000 and a Stereo amp setup that I was using.

The problem with the Motion sound amps is that the rotating speaker is only a single horn with a counter-balance on the other side of the horn. Thus with a one horn setup, it doesn't move as much sound waves as a dual horn. The other missing component is the bottom rotor which really moves a lot of air to give you that spatialization that Leslies are noted for. Save your money and invest in a good stereo amp setup with a 2000 or a Tyros.

Al G.
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#174658 - 01/17/03 04:41 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Al

Just what is the Amp speaker set you are using with the 9000

Jerry

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#174659 - 01/17/03 07:58 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Jerry,

I'm using the Fender SFX 200. It's a 160 watt stereo amp with a 12 inch, Piezo tweeter, and a transversed 10 inch speaker. There are a couple on auction on Ebay at the moment. Check it out it works well for me and it's easy to transport around on wheels.

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#174660 - 01/20/03 09:14 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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kbrkr said, "the rotating speaker is only a single horn with a counter-balance on the other side of the horn.". That is very disappointing. Is an extra horn tweeter THAT expensive?
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#174661 - 01/20/03 12:53 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Starkeeper,

I did hear a rumor that Motion Sound is coming out with a Leslie 147 clone. Should have complete horn and bottom rotor. I also heard another rumor that Leslie will start production on a new line of the infamous rotating speakers.

If they come out with a portable 147, I will not be able to resist the temptation to get one!!! Now what do I have to sell to come with some cash to buy it!!! LOL

Al G.
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#174662 - 01/21/03 05:06 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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I had a Motion Sound Pro-3 and it only sounds it's best when played loud. It has to push the air. When it does ... LOOKOUT ! It's awesome, but it pales by comparison to a good stereo setup because you are separating the sound flow by speaker placement.
One on one, the rotationg horn sounds MUCH better than the psuedo processor in the kb, but the conditions have to be equal. Stereo amps, widespread placement etc.
The internal processors are pretty good in many situations. Best to detrmine if you need the ultra realism or the compact setup.
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#174663 - 01/21/03 05:15 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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I was always under the impression that the Leslie was only a single horn with a dummy for balance.

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#174664 - 01/21/03 09:33 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Pilot,
I owned a Leslie model 122 and looked behind. There are two horn tweeters. What an awesome sound. And stupid sold it
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#174665 - 01/21/03 04:37 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Starkeeper,

It is better to have Leslie'd and lost...
then to have never Leslie'd at all!!!

Al G
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#174666 - 01/21/03 06:58 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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..........and that's the Truth !
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#174667 - 01/22/03 08:16 AM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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It was a wonderfull love affair while it lasted. I loved that baby. When I stepped on the low C organ pedal, it would sound without any distortion at all, just a pure clean bass. Wow!! I enjoy hearing the leslie sim DSP swirl up and down on the PSR550, but it is not a leslie 122.
When you fall in love, enjoy every second of every minute of every day while it lasts.
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#174668 - 01/22/03 01:01 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Sorry to differ, Starkeeper, but it says right here in my book that while the 122 has two horns, one of them is plugged and serves only to balance the other horn.

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#174669 - 01/22/03 02:29 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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Pilot,
I believe what you read, your post did say "with a dummy for balance". This means the the Motion Pro is still a possible alternative for those looking for that swirling Leslie Sound.
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#174670 - 01/22/03 05:02 PM Re: Motion Sound KBR3D Keyboard Amplifier
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FYI ........................
Dano is a Motion Sound Dealer in Baltimore !


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